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Why couldn't Audi design pistons like these to avoid damage when TB breaks?

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Old 08-14-2008, 09:31 AM
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Default Why couldn't Audi design pistons like these to avoid damage when TB breaks?

Not sure which engine uses these pistons (I think its from a Toyota), but they've got valve relief pockets that avoid catastrophic valve/piston damage when the timing belt/tensioner/waterpump goes bad. I'm guessing they're not used much because they still lower the compression, making our little 1.8t's even less powerful!?

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Default Many manufacturers make Non-interference engines....>

Audi doesn't.

Break a belt on something like a Miata and it's merely an inconvenience..<ul><li><a href="http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?brochure=2256&amp;location_id=3487">I nteresting link to Gates as well as more info on change intervals</a></li></ul>
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Default Yep, but I thought the valves usually don't get close to the pistons, right?

Wonder if anyone can make aftermarket pistons with valve relief cutouts like these.
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Wonder how they'll hold up to a big turbo and 25 lbs of boost.
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Can't have power without compression
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Default Plus Audi is stuffing 5 valves into an area....>

That in other cars is occupied by only 2
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Same with my ford escort...I can change the belt on the side of the road with a few tools in 30 min
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You're right.....I forgot that these have 5 valves....
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Default Valve reliefs are designed to avoid valve-piston contact under normal operation...

Not necessarily to prevent catastrophic failure in the event that a tensioner collapses. Consider that an engine using a hot (high lift) cam with high compression needs clearance somewhere (it gets tight in there).
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