Where did Hamilton go....

the italian · 04-28-2008, 07:30 AM

Obviously I am happy to see the brit not fighting with the red's. As we say he was a "straw fire".

Thank you Ferrari, still make my RED heart skip a beat when I hear the national anthem....

Tifosi · 04-28-2008, 07:51 AM

On both setup and also development of the cars. FA did not become a 2x WC while sleepwalking. Don't get me wrong, I think LH is talented but we will now see how complete a package LH really is.

ny bruin · 04-28-2008, 08:16 AM

Give the guy a break. He just entered f1. Isn't he still a teenager?!

caitov · 04-28-2008, 08:18 AM

My take is that losing Alonso definitely hurt with setup but I think the penalties from last year that directly effect their development may have hurt just as much.

Did you hear Hamilton after the race wondering how Ferrari was able to limit wheel spin and also make the rear tires last longer? Obviously there is work that needs to be done at Mclaren.

Personally, I don't dislike Hamilton but I sure enjoy seeing Ferrari beat him.

520 · 04-28-2008, 09:11 AM

ny bruin · 04-28-2008, 11:03 AM

Tifosi · 04-28-2008, 11:27 AM

it certainly takes more than just 2 seasons to decide if one has what it takes to be a better than average F1 driver. What I was trying to say is that considering how LH came on to the F1 scene last year, there were many that were ready to crown him the greatest ever, as he had his own biography out already last year by mid-season. IMO, fans were not giving FA enough credit with his year at McLaren. With FA's move back to Renault, we will now have a better idea of how LH really measures up against other drivers on the grid right now at this time.

However, with that said, don't forget that LH has already gotten a lot of breaks in his very young F1 career. In the recent years, other than J. Villenuve in 1996, no other rookie driver entering F1 had the opportunity to drive for a top tier team with a competitive car from the start.

the italian · 04-28-2008, 11:38 AM

Totally agree with you. I was always skeptical about LH. He is a good driver in a very good (not enough) car.

Tifosi · 04-28-2008, 11:45 AM

We know its not the ECU or some hidden TC as they all uses a common ECU now, which incidentally is supplied by none other than his very own McLaren International.

Mechanical grip is usually the harder of the two and requires more driver input to develop. Because unlike aerodynamics, it is very difficult to similate.

ny bruin · 04-28-2008, 11:46 AM

MS got a drive w/ Benneton by his 2nd race -- not too shabby for a rookie.
And Montoya was with Williams (when they were very good). He gave MS a scare or two.
Jenson Button looked pretty good w/ Williams as he was coming up.

LH has made good use of his opportunites. He defitinely has a good chance to be a great.

[ok Kimi hat on]

04-28-2008, 07:51 AM	#2
Tifosi AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,436	As the season progress, we will see if LH was riding on FA's coat tail last year. On both setup and also development of the cars. FA did not become a 2x WC while sleepwalking. Don't get me wrong, I think LH is talented but we will now see how complete a package LH really is.

04-28-2008, 08:16 AM	#3
ny bruin AudiWorld Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 868	Don't you think it'd take more than 2 yrs to make that kind of assessment? Give the guy a break. He just entered f1. Isn't he still a teenager?! __________________ Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Goodbye [KWAF and AW]

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caitov AudiWorld Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 285	I don't know how much the lack of performance can be attributed to the loss of FA.. My take is that losing Alonso definitely hurt with setup but I think the penalties from last year that directly effect their development may have hurt just as much. Did you hear Hamilton after the race wondering how Ferrari was able to limit wheel spin and also make the rear tires last longer? Obviously there is work that needs to be done at Mclaren. Personally, I don't dislike Hamilton but I sure enjoy seeing Ferrari beat him. __________________ B7 Dolphin Gray S4

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ny bruin AudiWorld Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 868	Well he looks 16 :-) __________________ Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Goodbye [KWAF and AW]

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Tifosi AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,436	You may have misunderstood my post..... it certainly takes more than just 2 seasons to decide if one has what it takes to be a better than average F1 driver. What I was trying to say is that considering how LH came on to the F1 scene last year, there were many that were ready to crown him the greatest ever, as he had his own biography out already last year by mid-season. IMO, fans were not giving FA enough credit with his year at McLaren. With FA's move back to Renault, we will now have a better idea of how LH really measures up against other drivers on the grid right now at this time. However, with that said, don't forget that LH has already gotten a lot of breaks in his very young F1 career. In the recent years, other than J. Villenuve in 1996, no other rookie driver entering F1 had the opportunity to drive for a top tier team with a competitive car from the start.

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the italian New Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 194	Amen... Totally agree with you. I was always skeptical about LH. He is a good driver in a very good (not enough) car. __________________ A3 2.0T DSG, BT, Black/Black, roof, BiXeon, Cold, Premium.

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Tifosi AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,436	I would say the familiarity with Bridgestone and their long-time association played a role. We know its not the ECU or some hidden TC as they all uses a common ECU now, which incidentally is supplied by none other than his very own McLaren International. Mechanical grip is usually the harder of the two and requires more driver input to develop. Because unlike aerodynamics, it is very difficult to similate.

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ny bruin AudiWorld Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 868	Maybe not as strong teams but there have been some rookies w/ good rides MS got a drive w/ Benneton by his 2nd race -- not too shabby for a rookie. And Montoya was with Williams (when they were very good). He gave MS a scare or two. Jenson Button looked pretty good w/ Williams as he was coming up. LH has made good use of his opportunites. He defitinely has a good chance to be a great. [ok Kimi hat on] __________________ Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Goodbye [KWAF and AW]

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