x-post Audi vs the ALMS

**Jason Teller** · 08-14-2006, 07:09 AM

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Rakete · 08-14-2006, 08:45 AM

team...this is what happens, they (governing group) change the playing field faster than Audi techs/engineers can design them. Is it fair? HELL NO! But they have done this Audi for years and years...HOWEVER...if Audi pulls out of the ALMS...it will hurt this sport. Audi's have always been a huge draw for the sport. WE CAN'T HELP IT IF THEY ARE JUST BETTER THAN THE REST....but would hope that they make the rules fair for ALL teams...and lighten up on Audi. This new diesel is a step into the future and they should be trying to find ways to have Audi stay in the sport not exit!

Krisko · 08-14-2006, 09:32 AM

The R10 goes a lot further on a tank of gas (err...diesel) than the Dyson Lola does. Isn't it fair to let the Lolas carry 5 liters more fuel? Of course the Audi purist will say 'hell no!' but that opinion does nothing to create competition and a watchable sport.

It sounds like IMSA is getting more proactive in trying to balance the scales in ALMS...I like it.

Potomac-Greg · 08-14-2006, 10:37 AM

... that when a manufacturer accomplishes a fantastic goal like this (making a diesel car that can beat all comers, and run without failure the first year out) they should be given a while to enjoy it. Is it "unfair" to Dyson and Pescarolo? Is it unfair that Donald Trump has a bigger house than I have?

For marketing purposes, the only potential negative for Audi is getting beaten by the P2 Porsches.

Potomac-Greg · 08-14-2006, 10:39 AM

... if/when the Lola beats the Audis, there will be a LOT of attention paid to it.

wallaby · 08-14-2006, 06:58 PM

So there was already an "energy adjusment" made.

nord1899 · 08-14-2006, 09:52 PM

mikescoupegt · 08-15-2006, 04:49 AM

This sort of thing happens all the time in all different manners of road racing. It happened to Porsche in the mid to late 90's with their Open top spyder at Daytona, by cutting back the boost. It happened even before that in the Can-Am championship and in the first iteration of IMDA with the 956/962 series. It will happen again with the Porsche P2 Spyder.

I dont want to see Audi leave the ALMS, what i would want to see is Porsche, Audi, Lola etc race together and shee who comes out on top. The rules have to be fair for all, especially with the TV coverage, if one manufacturer runs away with the race you get F1 and no viewers.

Just my two cents.

Cheers;

AudiJon · 08-17-2006, 11:01 PM

08-14-2006, 08:45 AM	#2
Rakete AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 8,933	When you win all the time and you are the BEST~ have developed the BEST team...this is what happens, they (governing group) change the playing field faster than Audi techs/engineers can design them. Is it fair? HELL NO! But they have done this Audi for years and years...HOWEVER...if Audi pulls out of the ALMS...it will hurt this sport. Audi's have always been a huge draw for the sport. WE CAN'T HELP IT IF THEY ARE JUST BETTER THAN THE REST....but would hope that they make the rules fair for ALL teams...and lighten up on Audi. This new diesel is a step into the future and they should be trying to find ways to have Audi stay in the sport not exit!

08-14-2006, 09:32 AM	#3
Krisko Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,648	The rule changes sound fair to me. The R10 goes a lot further on a tank of gas (err...diesel) than the Dyson Lola does. Isn't it fair to let the Lolas carry 5 liters more fuel? Of course the Audi purist will say 'hell no!' but that opinion does nothing to create competition and a watchable sport. It sounds like IMSA is getting more proactive in trying to balance the scales in ALMS...I like it. __________________ 2005 Audi Cabriolet 3.0L aqua/tan 2007 VW Passat Wagon 2.0t black/tan 1998 BMW M3 Sedan black/black

08-14-2006, 10:37 AM	#4
Potomac-Greg AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 21,854	Nothing new. The R8 got saddled with weight, as did the racing RS6s. But I think... ... that when a manufacturer accomplishes a fantastic goal like this (making a diesel car that can beat all comers, and run without failure the first year out) they should be given a while to enjoy it. Is it "unfair" to Dyson and Pescarolo? Is it unfair that Donald Trump has a bigger house than I have? For marketing purposes, the only potential negative for Audi is getting beaten by the P2 Porsches. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Mine: 2002 Mercedes Benz C32 / ///AMG Family Choo Choo: 2008 MB GL320 CDI Track Ho: 1988 Porschuh 944 Recent History: Audi 2002 TT Roadster History: Audi 2000 A6 2.7T Ancient History: Audi 1991 90Q 20V

08-14-2006, 10:39 AM	#5
Potomac-Greg AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 21,854	Audi dominance has really made the Lola the "David" and Audi "Goliath." And... ... if/when the Lola beats the Audis, there will be a LOT of attention paid to it. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Mine: 2002 Mercedes Benz C32 / ///AMG Family Choo Choo: 2008 MB GL320 CDI Track Ho: 1988 Porschuh 944 Recent History: Audi 2002 TT Roadster History: Audi 2000 A6 2.7T Ancient History: Audi 1991 90Q 20V

08-14-2006, 06:58 PM	#6
wallaby Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,998	I thought the R10 also had their refuelling flow restricted. So there was already an "energy adjusment" made. __________________ 07 A3 Sportback 2.0T Quattro 6spd Manual 04 Allroad 2.7T 6spd Manual (sold) 95.5 S6 Avant (sold, sob) 91 Coupe Quattro (sold)

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08-14-2006, 09:52 PM	#7
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08-15-2006, 04:49 AM	#8
mikescoupegt AudiWorld Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 965	Now you have hit the nail on the head. This sort of thing happens all the time in all different manners of road racing. It happened to Porsche in the mid to late 90's with their Open top spyder at Daytona, by cutting back the boost. It happened even before that in the Can-Am championship and in the first iteration of IMDA with the 956/962 series. It will happen again with the Porsche P2 Spyder. I dont want to see Audi leave the ALMS, what i would want to see is Porsche, Audi, Lola etc race together and shee who comes out on top. The rules have to be fair for all, especially with the TV coverage, if one manufacturer runs away with the race you get F1 and no viewers. Just my two cents. Cheers; __________________ Mike Kirby 86 Coupe GT Project

08-17-2006, 11:01 PM	#9
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