Go Back   AudiWorld Forums > Audi Models > Audi A6 / S6 / RS 6 > S6 (C7 Platform) Discussion
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

Notices

S6 (C7 Platform) Discussion Discussion forum for the C7 Audi S6 produced from 2012 - Present

Reply
 
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-04-2013, 10:09 AM   #1
S4thrills
AudiWorld Member
Account #: 154433
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 351
Default APR Tune

I find it interesting that APR advertises on the Audi Club North America forums yet Audi won't necessarily honor warranty claims on tuned cars if the tune caused the issue.

http://forums.fourtitude.com/showthr...-4.0-TFSI-ECUs!
__________________
2013 S6: Ibis White
2013 RS5: Panther Black

Prior Audis:
2007 S6 Sedan
2001 S4 Avant
2001 S4 Sedan
1998 A4 1.8T Sedan
S4thrills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 11:52 AM   #2
snagitseven
AudiWorld Super User
Account #: 22753
 
snagitseven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: SE MA
Posts: 6,730
Default

While ACNA may have a partnership with Audi of America (i.e. the ACNA new car discount), they are an independently owned organization. Fourtitude is also independently owned (not by ACNA or Audi) and and uses sponsors and partnerships just like AudiWorld and other auto web forums.
In any case, my understanding is some ECU vendors (i.e. Stasis) offer their own warranty to cover problems caused by their products that Audi won't cover under the factory warranty. Also note that the Audi factory warranty is not voided by any mods made other than if Audi can show that a problem was caused by the mod itself.

Edit: changed "..most, if not all ECU vendors.." to "some ECU vendors (i.e. Statsis).
__________________

- 2013 A6 3.0T Prestige, Quartz Gray/Black, 19" Sport, Driver Assist, LED headlights,Cold Weather and B&O;
Bridgestone RE970AS tires; XPel Ultimate full front, mirrors and rocker panels, Opti-coat Pro
- 2002 allroad 2.7t - 13y/49K mi and still like new
- 2009 A4 3.2 Prestige w/Nav (sold at 4y/48K mi)
- 2001 A6 2.7t (sold at 8y/98K mi)

Last edited by snagitseven; 09-04-2013 at 06:10 PM.
snagitseven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 02:02 PM   #3
gatorguy7
AudiWorld Senior Member
Account #: 259810
 
gatorguy7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 653
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by snagitseven View Post
While ACNA may have a partnership with Audi of America (i.e. the ACNA new car discount), they are an independently owned organization. Fourtitude is also independently owned (not by ACNA or Audi) and and uses sponsors and partnerships just like AudiWorld and other auto web forums.
In any case, my understanding is most, if not all, ECU vendors offer their own warranty to cover problems caused by their products that Audi won't cover under the factory warranty. Also note that the Audi factory warranty is not voided by any mods made other than if Audi can show that a problem was caused by the mod itself.
There is no warranty by APR against any problems with your car. The only thing covered is problems with their software. There are also a growing number of cases where Audi will tag anything they can with TD1. I think we will see a lot more kick back from them in the future related to mods and warranty. There are a growing number of cases where Audi has voided a warranty due to a tune and didn't try to prove anything.

This is not to say that an APR tune will cause any problems because I seriously doubt that they would, but problems can occur with any car, and if you happen to have a tune then it could cause problems.
__________________
2013 Estoril Blue S6
20" Giovanna Sardina's|ECS Spacers|Custom Spoiler|30% Ceramic Tint|Blacked out filler panel|Escort Max hardwired|Escort ZR4 Laser Shifters|Opti-coat 2.0|Stasis Rear Sway Bar|Audi Puddle Lights
gatorguy7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 02:07 PM   #4
S4thrills
AudiWorld Member
Account #: 154433
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 351
Default

snagitsteven... thanks for clarifying the relationship of all these entities. I didn't realize they were that independent. One could easily assume they were more intertwined.
__________________
2013 S6: Ibis White
2013 RS5: Panther Black

Prior Audis:
2007 S6 Sedan
2001 S4 Avant
2001 S4 Sedan
1998 A4 1.8T Sedan
S4thrills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 02:21 PM   #5
S4thrills
AudiWorld Member
Account #: 154433
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 351
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorguy7 View Post
There is no warranty by APR against any problems with your car. The only thing covered is problems with their software. There are also a growing number of cases where Audi will tag anything they can with TD1. I think we will see a lot more kick back from them in the future related to mods and warranty. There are a growing number of cases where Audi has voided a warranty due to a tune and didn't try to prove anything.

This is not to say that an APR tune will cause any problems because I seriously doubt that they would, but problems can occur with any car, and if you happen to have a tune then it could cause problems.
Back when I had my first Audi, a 1.8T A4, I had it tuned (APR), and I never had or heard of issues. When I migrated to my first S4, Audi started to crack down and I'd hear a lot of horror stories about blown turbos on tuned cars (not necessarily cause and effect) with Audi denying warranty claims. This kept me from ever tuning my prior S4's. I have the prior model S6 which is n.a. so tuning was never really a temptation but with the new S6 it is so tempting for me. But I am hesitant to do it.
__________________
2013 S6: Ibis White
2013 RS5: Panther Black

Prior Audis:
2007 S6 Sedan
2001 S4 Avant
2001 S4 Sedan
1998 A4 1.8T Sedan
S4thrills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 03:21 PM   #6
subterFUSE
AudiWorld Senior Member
Account #: 244666
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Winter Park, FL
Posts: 699
Default

I'm in the same boat. I really want to do the tune, but I don't want to get flagged TD1 or risk an expensive engine related repair being out-of-warranty.

Perhaps when I get closer to the end of the factory warranty I will reconsider.
subterFUSE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 03:25 PM   #7
CreoS4
AudiWorld Member
Account #: 9749
 
CreoS4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: West Los Angeles
Posts: 534
Send a message via AIM to CreoS4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by S4thrills View Post
When I migrated to my first S4, Audi started to crack down and I'd hear a lot of horror stories about blown turbos on tuned cars (not necessarily cause and effect) with Audi denying warranty claims.
I had the passenger-side turbo go on my B5 S4 (2011). It was replaced under warranty, but back then I had the ability to swap from the stock ECU to the AMS/ABT ECU (and vice versa) quite easily. My Audi dealer knew I was tuned, and they didn't care as long as I brought the car back with the stock ECU if any warranty work came up. Then again, the dealership didn't complete the turbo replacement correctly. I had power steering fluid dump all over my driveway one night and then I had a "creaking" noise from the front suspension that they couldn't figure out how to fix. I quickly unloaded the car after being without it for 2.5 months.

In the interim I've owned several tuned/upgraded turbo Subarus without any major issues. I've had my B8 S4 APR tuned for the past 3 years, and I'll likely have the S6 tuned by APR after a few thousand miles (to make sure there are no initial issues).

I also have all my maintenance work performed at a local independent shop (owned by a certified Audi tech), so I'm not overly concerned with "TD1." ECU tuning is a risk, but I just can't drive a stock car.
__________________
-Mike- : 2014 Glacier White S6 : 21x9.5" HRE P44SC + 265/30/21 Michelin Pilot Super Sport : APR : AWE Touring Edition Exhaust + Diamond Black Tips : H&R ETS : RS6 Grille : Satin Black Rear Diffuser : Recaro ProSport
CreoS4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 03:41 PM   #8
subterFUSE
AudiWorld Senior Member
Account #: 244666
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Winter Park, FL
Posts: 699
Default

Could an APR tuned ECU be swapped with a stock ECU when going in for service? Or would Audi be wise to that?
subterFUSE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 03:58 PM   #9
CreoS4
AudiWorld Member
Account #: 9749
 
CreoS4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: West Los Angeles
Posts: 534
Send a message via AIM to CreoS4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subterFUSE View Post
Could an APR tuned ECU be swapped with a stock ECU when going in for service? Or would Audi be wise to that?
From what I understand, it doesn't work that way with the newer model years. The ECU is tied to the keys, so you would essentially need to go back to the Audi dealership to re-code the keys to the ECU each time you swap (and the dealer would figure out why).
__________________
-Mike- : 2014 Glacier White S6 : 21x9.5" HRE P44SC + 265/30/21 Michelin Pilot Super Sport : APR : AWE Touring Edition Exhaust + Diamond Black Tips : H&R ETS : RS6 Grille : Satin Black Rear Diffuser : Recaro ProSport
CreoS4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 04:55 PM   #10
cagambler
AudiWorld Member
Account #: 239448
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: California
Posts: 129
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by snagitseven View Post
In any case, my understanding is most, if not all, ECU vendors offer their own warranty to cover problems caused by their products that Audi won't cover under the factory warranty. Also note that the Audi factory warranty is not voided by any mods made other than if Audi can show that a problem was caused by the mod itself.
Unfortunately, Audi is in the same position with the buyer that the IRS is with the taxpayer. If Audi says the problem is not covered by warranty, they don't have to prove anything. The buyer has to prove (by lawsuit, most likely) that the problem was not caused by the tune.

While ECU vendors warranty their products, I have heard of none except Stasis (questionable relationship with Audi presently according to rumor) and Dinan (for BMW) that will cover consequential damage to something else on the car.
__________________
2013 Audi S6 Estoril/Lunar Silver
2007 BMW 335i Dinan-tuned Montego Blue/Tan
2000 BMW M5 Silverstone/Black
cagambler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2013, 04:55 PM
AudiWorld
Audi R8




Paid Advertisement
 
 
 
Reply

Tags
anderson, apr, audi, pam, s6, tune, warranty


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:47 PM.


Copyright 2014 AudiWorld.com Audi Enthusiast Community

Personal Contacts