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Old 04-16-2012, 04:41 AM   #11
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Update:

New O2 sensors (no code) did not change a thing.
Gas mileage is still 12 mpg highway (and 10-12 mpg mixed driving).

I pulled the spark plugs out (less than 5k since new) and had an 'expert' take a look. They show NO signs of running rich.

Also cut the catalytic converters out (one was rattling anyway) to rule out 'plugged cat'. Inside of the exhaust pipes looked also 'normal' (no signs of running rich).

Last time I checked the vacuum, it was at -18 (which seem normal, or?) at idle.

I had replaced the fuel pressure regulator, no change.

a) could I still have a vacuum leak that is causing the terrible gas mileage?

b) when I did the timing belt service, I checked compression, which was ok and fairly uniform across the 6 cylinders. I will check again

Key question: what could (any ideas are very welcome) cause such terrible gas mileage?

- dirty injectors?
- leaking injector O rings?
- EGR system (I would expect a code, even on this very basic Hitachi ECU)?
- air pump or other evap stuff?
- resonator or muffler plugged (maybe from cat 'debris'?)?

Without obvious signs (or codes), I am at a loss.
Power seems poor, but it is hard for me to judge (my other cars are 2.7T 6spd stage 2, 1.8T manual stage 3, 1.8T manual stage 2, so yes: this 2.8 A4 with auto trans seems awfully slow, but I have not comparison.

Suggestions, PLEASE!
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Old 04-17-2012, 05:19 AM   #12
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Does the 2.8 have EGT sensors that could go bad and tellung the ECU to run rich to 'cool', causing the high gas consumption?
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Old 04-19-2012, 05:23 PM   #13
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pull the injectors out, but leave them attatched to the fuel line and rail, and turn the key on so the fuel pump primes. but dont start! and put paper towels under each injector, and any that get wet, are leaky and bad. also you can use an ohm meter, and check the resistance of each injector. They can electrically short out.

Bosch injectors - 15-17 ohms
Siemens injector - 13.5-14.5 ohms

Anything dramatically less is junk.
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Old 04-20-2012, 04:06 AM   #14
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Will do.
Get a set of O-rings (number/specification to order the correct ones? Source?) and change them out while at it?

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pull the injectors out, but leave them attatched to the fuel line and rail, and turn the key on so the fuel pump primes. but dont start! and put paper towels under each injector, and any that get wet, are leaky and bad. also you can use an ohm meter, and check the resistance of each injector. They can electrically short out.

Bosch injectors - 15-17 ohms
Siemens injector - 13.5-14.5 ohms

Anything dramatically less is junk.
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1999 Passat 1.8T manual; Kraftwerk Turbo TM3, 550cc Bosch EV14, FSI coils, 3" MAF, 3" DP, custom TIP, FMIC, Kraftwerk Tune

2002 Audi Allroad 2.7T quattro manual; Kraftwerk Turbo TM4, 750cc Bosch EV14, FSI coils, stg 5 clutch, FMIC

2001 Audi Allroad 2.7T quattro manual; custom stg 1

1996 Audi A4 2.8 quattro automatic. Stock. Issues: heated seats not working (from neer model), ignition lock/key hangs, TERRIBLE gas mileage.

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Old 04-20-2012, 12:54 PM   #15
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would the injectors make the check engine light come on if bad. got the same white slim on oil cap and in breather hoses. my check engine light will come on if it sits and idles for 10-15 mins. car also wants to die right after starting will rum real rough at around 3-4 hundred rpm for about 5 mins then it seems to come out of it. Then at low rpm wile driving it hesitates. at about 2000 rpm it seems to come out of it but still dont feel like it has full power. and what would symptoms of one clogged cat and the other free flowing. exhaust makes weird high pitched kackle. caused by misfire? or what
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:00 PM   #16
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I have 2.5" exaust from right behind the cats into a cherry bomb glass pack for resinator then into a pilot dual 3" tipped muffler
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would the injectors make the check engine light come on if bad. got the same white slim on oil cap and in breather hoses. my check engine light will come on if it sits and idles for 10-15 mins. car also wants to die right after starting will rum real rough at around 3-4 hundred rpm for about 5 mins then it seems to come out of it. Then at low rpm wile driving it hesitates. at about 2000 rpm it seems to come out of it but still dont feel like it has full power. and what would symptoms of one clogged cat and the other free flowing. exhaust makes weird high pitched kackle. caused by misfire? or what
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