Flash programming

boogie1968 · 09-28-2006, 07:50 PM

I recently acquired a 2002 a6 2.7T with the tiptronic tranny.
I would like to upgrade the ECU to a 1 bar program.
Is flash programming reliable (what is it)? and is the APR program (dealer in Long Island (NY)) a sound choice?
Also, is the Giac and the APR programs pretty much the same thing?
Please advise. Thanks.

paulroad · 09-29-2006, 06:13 PM

But Anchor Audi does it as well.
You may want Anchor to do this and the GIAC TIP Chip too.

LI-S4 · 10-03-2006, 09:29 AM

Strongly consider letting Anchor do it.

Although I am a die hard APR fan (smooth, conservative approach to tuning + Anti Theft on EMCS), I prefer using a knowledgable dealership instead of Grand Prix.

I have a hard time trusting the guys at Grand Prix. I have heard, first hand, some really odd-ball responses from them with regards to mods..

For instance... A patron says to the owner "What are the absolute smallest [wheel] spacers you carry..I need to clear my front brakes..."

The owner replys..."Oh no...you need 12mm spacers. That is the best thing for [your car]".

Another patron, who just had a full APR Stge III plus kit installed in his B6 A4 1.8t was told that the hunting ilde and stumble were "perfectly normal".

Same guy got as far as the middle of the Stage III install before he was told by the mechanic that the APR Intercooler won't fit under the stock A4 bumper... The choice would be a smaller intercooler or an aftermarket bumper..both of which happened to be in stock.

It always seems that the owner is closing a $20k installation deal every time I walk in..the same deal gets closed over and over.. "Sure, bring it on Thursday. How much? $20k. Good bring it in, in the morning we'll take care of it."

Proceed with caution; especially if you are less experience with tuning our motors..

quickaudi:STFA · 10-03-2006, 01:30 PM

Take about 5-10 minutes to do it properly, along with another 10 minutes for testing. You could be done in an hour. APR is a sound, safe choice.

boogie1968 · 10-03-2006, 05:57 PM

Thanks for the info.

Bob@Stratmosphere · 10-06-2006, 11:05 AM

Almost every brand has flash tuning available. I would recommend a tip chip for your car as it is often used in our O.CT Chips. FYI Every brand chip is different from one another.

massboykie · 10-26-2006, 12:37 PM

Having an electronig background, I would never have considered chipping my A6, if I had to get the existing chip desoldered etc. I know a lot of people might disagree, but there is just too many things that can start causing issues later on.

So Flash programming is definetely a MUCH safer way of doing it, and when it come to warantee repairs... it can very easily be reversed...

I personally have the GIAC-X and I am very happy with it. Good drivability and plenty power.

Cheers
Massboykie

09-29-2006, 06:13 PM	#2
paulroad AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 18,425	FYI...Grand Prix is OK.. But Anchor Audi does it as well. You may want Anchor to do this and the GIAC TIP Chip too. __________________ 4/23/11: S4 Premium Plus, S'Tronic, Nav, Titanium body Original Ride: • Bought New May 2003 allroad 2.7t 6 Speed • Sold @ 217,856 miles on April 23, 2011 -Mod/Repair Log 2400 Miles 5/28/11 New Conti Extreme DWS A/S Tires--smooths out the ride OEM Dipstick--Need to see and smell the oil OEM Rubber Mats--Look better than Stock Carpet and last longer

10-03-2006, 09:29 AM	#3
LI-S4 AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 18,084	I second Paul's comments.... Strongly consider letting Anchor do it. Although I am a die hard APR fan (smooth, conservative approach to tuning + Anti Theft on EMCS), I prefer using a knowledgable dealership instead of Grand Prix. I have a hard time trusting the guys at Grand Prix. I have heard, first hand, some really odd-ball responses from them with regards to mods.. For instance... A patron says to the owner "What are the absolute smallest [wheel] spacers you carry..I need to clear my front brakes..." The owner replys..."Oh no...you need 12mm spacers. That is the best thing for [your car]". Another patron, who just had a full APR Stge III plus kit installed in his B6 A4 1.8t was told that the hunting ilde and stumble were "perfectly normal". Same guy got as far as the middle of the Stage III install before he was told by the mechanic that the APR Intercooler won't fit under the stock A4 bumper... The choice would be a smaller intercooler or an aftermarket bumper..both of which happened to be in stock. It always seems that the owner is closing a $20k installation deal every time I walk in..the same deal gets closed over and over.. "Sure, bring it on Thursday. How much? $20k. Good bring it in, in the morning we'll take care of it." Proceed with caution; especially if you are less experience with tuning our motors.. __________________ "My wheel bolts require more torque than your Honda makes..." Valentine One Remote Display My Wheel Repair NASA Style The Unofficial AW Buyer / Seller Feedback Thread The nOOb FAQ ~ LI-S4 Style Everything I write is my opinion. You are free to adopt it or discard it. If I say it, it's because I believe it to be 100% true...That is all. ...THE FIRST MOD SHOULD BE DRIVING SCHOOL - O.W.K.

10-03-2006, 01:30 PM	#4
quickaudi:STFA AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,005	Flash programming is reliable as long as no interruption to the ECU during programming. Take about 5-10 minutes to do it properly, along with another 10 minutes for testing. You could be done in an hour. APR is a sound, safe choice. __________________ 2001.5 Audi S4 6spd, Eibach Pro Street S coilovers, AWE DTS, 710N's, VAST SS, Zoldman O2's, ECS afterrun thermoswitch, Darintake, Vast snub mount, RS4 tranny/motor mounts, Phatbox, ECS magnetic drain plug, VAGCOM mods, foglight mod, GIAC X & Flashloader, Avus wheels painted "Silver Arrow", Neuspeed catback exhaust, Neuspeed 19mm rear swaybar, 35% tint, RS4 grille, Euro headlights, ASP 3" dps w/ test pipes, A-pillar Prosport Performance boost gauge, AWE ICs, DDM 55W HID kit

10-03-2006, 05:57 PM	#5
boogie1968 New Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6	Re: Flash programming is reliable as long as no interruption to the ECU during programming. Thanks for the info.

10-06-2006, 11:05 AM	#6
Bob@Stratmosphere Premium Sponsor Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 482	Flash programing is reliable for your car. Almost every brand has flash tuning available. I would recommend a tip chip for your car as it is often used in our O.CT Chips. FYI Every brand chip is different from one another. __________________ <A HREF="http://www.stratmosphere.com"> </A>

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10-26-2006, 12:37 PM	#7
massboykie AudiWorld Member 2002 Audi A6 My Garage Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Natick, MA Posts: 399	Re: Flash programming Having an electronig background, I would never have considered chipping my A6, if I had to get the existing chip desoldered etc. I know a lot of people might disagree, but there is just too many things that can start causing issues later on. So Flash programming is definetely a MUCH safer way of doing it, and when it come to warantee repairs... it can very easily be reversed... I personally have the GIAC-X and I am very happy with it. Good drivability and plenty power. Cheers Massboykie __________________ 2002 Audi A6 2.7T 6spd, TrueFlow DI, ECS N75, 110s, UUC S/S, GIAC-X, APR Catback, Eibach Cupkit, Hotchkis F/R, 034 Spacer, AWE Snub, Unorthodox Pulleys 2006 Audi A4 Avant 2.0T 6spd, K&N DI, STaSIS Catback, Forge DV, AWE Snub, Custom S/S http://www.VAGLinks.com - 2000+ VAG Links! http://www.PlanetVAG.com - VAG Only Search Engine!

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