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the head gasket problems on many 4 cylinder engines produced in the late '80s and early '90s? I went through a couple of heads, and I'll never buy another Toyota (plenty of other problems too).
Lexus however, makes enough money to allow for extensive smoothing of feathers. Hardly the case with Audi, despite being VW's most profitable division.
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They say that with the proliferation of models and ever greater sales numbers, the odds are bound to creep up.
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Of course, they'd have to catch up to the Americans first.
I think part of the issue is electronics. German cars have electrical gremlins. They should outsource all electronics to Japanese companies. I for one would never buy a German made DVD player.
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So should Audi use cheap shiny hard plastics and less than perfect shut-lines in the quest to make a car more like the Japanese? How about leather using heavy metals instead of organic dyes? Orange peel free clear-coat that wraps around all the surfaces? Smoothest stamping dies in the industry?
From my conversations with people who work on designing Audis, they already spend a lot of unpaid overtime to get things right. They have a fraction of the staff found at BMW or Mercedes. That means they must depend more on suppliers to get things right, because they don't have time to test everything themselves. Car makers have a limited budget for any given model, and so they address whatever aspects they feel will target their demographic best. Every car maker and every model they offer, has a different matrix - and a different demographic that is either well served for the most part, or the model languishes.
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(1) traded some of that fit and finish for reliability
or (2) increased the price slighly and provided more reliability Remember, Germans are now behind American cars in reliability. And I don't think that there's much difference between Audi's leather and, say, Lexus in terms of utility for the customer.
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luxury makes, and over-time (paid and unpaid) is very common as it is. With VW's cashflow situation, Audi isn't going to get any more than it's getting now in the way of resources, and the present expertise is in creating that great fit and finish (along with other things). One downfall for them, is because they run so lean, they have to outsource a ton of things. That means they can't always integrate or scrutinze things as closely as something created in-house.
You've been around long enough to recognize the pattern of failures - if and when they come - and they are almost always items obtained from outside suppliers. Now whether Audi doesn't give them enough specifics, the supplier cuts corners when they shouldn't, Audi doesn't have the budget to pay for full top flight engineering of that outsourced part, testing is incomplete, or the design just wasn't that great in concept anyway, can be subject to debate. Of course I've been conditioned by Alfa ownership for years, and as it says under my sig, my priorities are a tad skewed;-)
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