Screw in my tire...

tb02ar2.7T · 12-05-2005, 10:46 AM

I have a tire w/ 3K miles on it and a screw in the tread. With the balance woes we seem to have with the ar, what should I do to repair the tire?

Rally_nutcase_1982 · 12-05-2005, 10:51 AM

It should be under or around $10.00.

RMcQ · 12-05-2005, 12:03 PM

My opinion, and this was validated the hard way when I lived in Germany, is that tires should only be patched from within for safety reasons. This holds especially true for a car with the speed and sustained speed potential of the allroad.

He should take it to the local tire place that can do work without scratching rims and get a proper internal patch for $20-25.

Back to the Germany story. I had my 1992 VW Corrado SLC shipped over when I was stationed there. Since I was on temporary duty somewhere else before heading to Germany the woman who is now my wife had the Corrado for a while. She got a flat near a little service station who happily charged her a few bucks to fix the tire with an external plug. It was fixed so easily that she didn't even mention it to me.

So when the car comes to Germany all is fine for a while but one day I do a pull on the Autobahn. 100mph....110mph..........120mph.............130mp g.......still pulling and whaaaaOhhhh! Things get very loose and I suddenly have a big problem. Luckily even in my younger days I was smart enough not to go for the brake and managed to bring it down from speed while maintaining control. The tire lost its plug and I think the only thing that kept me alive was that they were low profile tires with stiff sidewalls.

Anyway - it was extreme circumstances for sure, but I will never get a tire fixed that way.

HotSprings2.7T · 12-05-2005, 12:12 PM

allroad'Ed now · 12-05-2005, 01:56 PM

and get it patched. Better yet- have them use a patch-plug. That way you have a proper patch from inside, and the hole has been filled as well so no elements get into the tire layers.

If I remember correctly, you can ONLY maintain the speed rating if the tire is patched.

allroad'Ed now · 12-05-2005, 02:12 PM

The link below is Goodyear's Police Tire authorized puncture repair procedure to maintain the speed rating. If it's good enough for Goodyear speed rated tires on a ppolice car, it ought to be applicable to us too.

This link is to TireRack's site which documents their take on puncture repairs. The main difference between their info and Goodyear's, is that they don't specifically say that you can maintain the speed rating with ANY repair. But then they represent a variety of tire manufacturers and must consider all factors ( and I'm sure liability too.)
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=77

But the common theme is that you have to patch the tire, even though Goodyear specifies patch AND plug. (Can you say winter snow, water and salt combined with steel belts??? Yes, a tire can rust and delaminate)

Goodyear Police Puncture repair

RMcQ · 12-05-2005, 02:34 PM

which of course does plugging duty as well. This is what my local tire place uses.

Rally_nutcase_1982 · 12-05-2005, 04:58 PM

We had to finish 2 Rally stages with 2 plugs in a tire, one tire was already flat and we run out of spare tires, furthermore, no time left for Service so there was no other choice to make it to the finish. But that should not be used as an example.

Your experience with plugs in the tire differs entirely and specially on the German Autobahn where others might even go faster, scary thought.

And of course, a plug is a temporary solution but to get the car to a good tire place it should do the job. For Lime Rock last year I had to replace a perfectly good Toyo because it had a plug, no chances taken.

Now that you've left your pants down....where have you been driving in Germany? This Corrado looks pretty fast and I buy the 120MPH....but not the "130MPG" ;-).....go get some Coffee :-)

RMcQ · 12-06-2005, 05:24 AM

My modded car would bury the needle past the 140mph mark but I guess you are right. The fuel economy at that speed was a little lower than 130mpg. Did you ever see the "poor man's Porsche" ad campaign that had in print that the Corrado SLC was a 140mph car right out of the showroom.

Being that I was living in Bamberg, Germany for 3 years I was centrally located in Europe. In addition I was able to buy fuel ohne steuer (without tax) so I drove that car everywhere. It has been to Rome, Paris, Madrid, Coppenhagen, Budapest, Poland, Portugal, the Rock of Gibralter, all thru the German/Austrian/Swiss/French Alps, Venice, etc. etc.

What a great time in my life. Such fond memories and I would love to one day move back to Germany for a while.

2002ar · 12-06-2005, 05:44 AM

12-05-2005, 10:51 AM	#2
Rally_nutcase_1982 Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,956	Go to Autozone or a similar shop and buy the Tire Plug tool, it's easy, quick and will hold. It should be under or around $10.00. __________________ Every good driver has bugs stuck to his door windows - do it sideways ;-) Visit us @www.motoring-foundation.com or the ACNA-NJ Chapter

12-05-2005, 12:03 PM	#3
RMcQ AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 12,481	I'm sure you don't drive the way you do with plugs in your tires.....do you? My opinion, and this was validated the hard way when I lived in Germany, is that tires should only be patched from within for safety reasons. This holds especially true for a car with the speed and sustained speed potential of the allroad. He should take it to the local tire place that can do work without scratching rims and get a proper internal patch for $20-25. Back to the Germany story. I had my 1992 VW Corrado SLC shipped over when I was stationed there. Since I was on temporary duty somewhere else before heading to Germany the woman who is now my wife had the Corrado for a while. She got a flat near a little service station who happily charged her a few bucks to fix the tire with an external plug. It was fixed so easily that she didn't even mention it to me. So when the car comes to Germany all is fine for a while but one day I do a pull on the Autobahn. 100mph....110mph..........120mph.............130mp g.......still pulling and whaaaaOhhhh! Things get very loose and I suddenly have a big problem. Luckily even in my younger days I was smart enough not to go for the brake and managed to bring it down from speed while maintaining control. The tire lost its plug and I think the only thing that kept me alive was that they were low profile tires with stiff sidewalls. Anyway - it was extreme circumstances for sure, but I will never get a tire fixed that way. __________________ + + = 451whp/472 ft-lb Full RS6 bastardized allroad quattro alive and on the road.

12-05-2005, 12:12 PM	#4
HotSprings2.7T AudiWorld Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 529	agreed - I thought plugs went the way of bias ply tires __________________ '04 allroad 2.7T 6-speed h-sports front flaps tint - none front / 20% rear S6 door blades XM SkyFi2 hardwired/blitzsafe Cig Lighter Mod (aka re-engineering to keep up with the times) prior Audis '02 A6 2.7T sport tip '98 A4 2.8 5-speed

12-05-2005, 01:56 PM	#5
allroad'Ed now Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 7,169	This is a good TEMPORARY fix to get you to a tire store... and get it patched. Better yet- have them use a patch-plug. That way you have a proper patch from inside, and the hole has been filled as well so no elements get into the tire layers. If I remember correctly, you can ONLY maintain the speed rating if the tire is patched. __________________ formerly known as: Ed's A6Q now allroad '02 allroad Light Silver/Platinum- gone but not forgotten H-Sport (stealth black) RS6 Exhaust 20% Tint Bluetoothed for Razr Sym II with XM Summer street- 18x8 BBS RX 245/45-18 Toyo T1R 20mm H&R spacers Per my wife:"A station wagon shouldn't be this damn fast!" Other current toys: '04 BMW X5 4.4 Tow vehicle '97 BMW 528I, 95K miles, dead stock '86 911 track toy, 190,000K miles and just a few mods Previously: 98 A6Q 93 100CS 86 5000 CSQ

12-05-2005, 02:12 PM	#6
allroad'Ed now Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 7,169	Link to TireRack Tech article and Goodyear Police puncture procedure... The link below is Goodyear's Police Tire authorized puncture repair procedure to maintain the speed rating. If it's good enough for Goodyear speed rated tires on a ppolice car, it ought to be applicable to us too. This link is to TireRack's site which documents their take on puncture repairs. The main difference between their info and Goodyear's, is that they don't specifically say that you can maintain the speed rating with ANY repair. But then they represent a variety of tire manufacturers and must consider all factors ( and I'm sure liability too.) http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=77 But the common theme is that you have to patch the tire, even though Goodyear specifies patch AND plug. (Can you say winter snow, water and salt combined with steel belts??? Yes, a tire can rust and delaminate) Goodyear Police Puncture repair __________________ formerly known as: Ed's A6Q now allroad '02 allroad Light Silver/Platinum- gone but not forgotten H-Sport (stealth black) RS6 Exhaust 20% Tint Bluetoothed for Razr Sym II with XM Summer street- 18x8 BBS RX 245/45-18 Toyo T1R 20mm H&R spacers Per my wife:"A station wagon shouldn't be this damn fast!" Other current toys: '04 BMW X5 4.4 Tow vehicle '97 BMW 528I, 95K miles, dead stock '86 911 track toy, 190,000K miles and just a few mods Previously: 98 A6Q 93 100CS 86 5000 CSQ

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12-05-2005, 02:34 PM	#7
RMcQ AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 12,481	When I said patch I was thinking something like this: which of course does plugging duty as well. This is what my local tire place uses. __________________ + + = 451whp/472 ft-lb Full RS6 bastardized allroad quattro alive and on the road.

12-05-2005, 04:58 PM	#8
Rally_nutcase_1982 Senior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,956	Actually, ........... We had to finish 2 Rally stages with 2 plugs in a tire, one tire was already flat and we run out of spare tires, furthermore, no time left for Service so there was no other choice to make it to the finish. But that should not be used as an example. Your experience with plugs in the tire differs entirely and specially on the German Autobahn where others might even go faster, scary thought. And of course, a plug is a temporary solution but to get the car to a good tire place it should do the job. For Lime Rock last year I had to replace a perfectly good Toyo because it had a plug, no chances taken. Now that you've left your pants down....where have you been driving in Germany? This Corrado looks pretty fast and I buy the 120MPH....but not the "130MPG" ;-).....go get some Coffee :-) __________________ Every good driver has bugs stuck to his door windows - do it sideways ;-) Visit us @www.motoring-foundation.com or the ACNA-NJ Chapter

12-06-2005, 05:24 AM	#9
RMcQ AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 12,481	The Corrado would pull an honest 140mph every day right out of the box. My modded car would bury the needle past the 140mph mark but I guess you are right. The fuel economy at that speed was a little lower than 130mpg. Did you ever see the "poor man's Porsche" ad campaign that had in print that the Corrado SLC was a 140mph car right out of the showroom. Being that I was living in Bamberg, Germany for 3 years I was centrally located in Europe. In addition I was able to buy fuel ohne steuer (without tax) so I drove that car everywhere. It has been to Rome, Paris, Madrid, Coppenhagen, Budapest, Poland, Portugal, the Rock of Gibralter, all thru the German/Austrian/Swiss/French Alps, Venice, etc. etc. What a great time in my life. Such fond memories and I would love to one day move back to Germany for a while. __________________ + + = 451whp/472 ft-lb Full RS6 bastardized allroad quattro alive and on the road.

12-06-2005, 05:44 AM	#10
2002ar Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 563	Had a Falken patched & plugged last spring; never lost any air all summer .

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