8 yr/80,000 mile federal emissions warranty - how to count miles?

drhaller · 03-01-2007, 07:28 PM

Hi,

I left many codes for the dealer to digest/fix during my recent service. I was getting the Timing Belt service and the 80K service at same time.

Turned out that a vacuum hose had "popped off" somewhere (how do vacuum hoses "pop off"). The tech. had left by the time I retieved the car so I don't know what hose it was.

The diagnostic notes say that they fixed a vaccum leak but if the "cat efficiency code" returns then the cat needs replacing".

I bought the car new with 5,400 miles on it.

The dealer says the 8/80 federal emissions warranty goes to the first of either 8 years from the in-service date or 80k inidcated miles and I argued that my experience with the 4/50K warranty was that the warranty goes to 4 years from in-service date or to in-service mileage plus 50K miles.

Any insight here? Especially from those that fought to get 8/80 work completed.

Here is the mess of codes I left them :-). They only addressed a vaccum leak so I wonder what other ones will return.

/dan

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Friday,23,February,2007,16:21:09
VAG-COM Version: Release 607.3-D

Control Module Part Number: 4B0 907 551 Q
Component and/or Version: 2.7l V6/5VT G 0002
Software Coding: 06752
Work Shop Code: WSC 12345
Additional Info: WAUED54B91N035xxx AUZ7Z0Y1520790
5 Faults Found:
16805 - Warm Up Catalyst; Bank 1: Efficiency Below Threshold
P0421 - 35-00 - -
17546 - Fuel Trim: Bank 2 (Add): System too Lean
P1138 - 35-00 - -
17544 - Fuel Trim: Bank 1 (Add): System too Lean
P1136 - 35-00 - -
17965 - Charge Pressure Control: Positive Deviation
P1557 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
18029 - Engine Coolant Temp Signal: Short to Ground
P1621 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent

Readiness: 0000 0000

audikillsbmw · 03-01-2007, 08:37 PM

audifirst · 03-02-2007, 02:46 AM

I have 110k and my cat convt started to reminding me that is failing , I am no longer covered even the 8 year is about to pass in October

jfk92 · 03-02-2007, 04:45 AM

nov I think...maybe it was Dec...anyway it was at 83K.....yeah, go figure. so I did what any other cheap bastard would do, bought a VAG-COM and reset the light every other week after reading codes....if they replace the cats and sensor's you're looking at way over $3K......

StartXJeff · 03-02-2007, 06:52 AM

and the EPA Warranty is just that... an EPA warranty on total miles, not miles since in service -- ie: demo sold at reduced price with 5k miles - so EPA warranty ends at 80k, not 85k miles with the extra 5k added.

Tough luck.... that's an expensive bill if you get it done at the dealer beyond 80k.

My cost was $50 bucks. ($50 bucks to clear the code, generate a "ready" signal, generate a work order (shop ticket #) to submit a warranty claim, and wait for the code to trip again)

drhaller · 03-02-2007, 07:05 AM

Do I have to wait for the full OBD cycle to run all its tests? I hope it comes on quickly - at least within 1400 miles :-).

/dan

StartXJeff · 03-02-2007, 10:08 AM

I drove it at lunch about 40 miles or so and the CEl returned. Of course, they also test drove it after the reset about 100 miles (I asked them the service manager to drive it a few days over the weekend to see if he could just keep it in the shop).

Anyhow.... I only had right side CAT replaced under the EPA warranty. I have 4k miles to see if the other one fails. =) maybe I'll put 87 octane gas in her and see if that trips the code again. ....naaaawww.... that wouldn't be right.

drhaller · 03-02-2007, 04:03 PM

... and drive it around. Did you get your pre-cat or main cat replaced?

/dan

03-01-2007, 08:37 PM	#2
audikillsbmw Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 15,201	sounds like a mess :( BTW, love the green car in ur pics section..(looks like mine w/Euro plate) __________________ ************************************************* Johnny B. - OFFICIAL 2007 C5 A6 POST WHORE - - OFFICIAL 2008 C5 A6 POST WHORE - R.I.P. Thor- 10/97-8/08.. I miss you buddy :( Racing Green PE 2000 A6 4.2: All options except warm weather & Sport package... MODS: Bilstein shocks, H&R Sport springs, 18x8.5" wheels (et30) with 235/40's, blacked-out RS6 upper grille, debadged, 15mm (F) and 20mm (R) spacers (SOLD,) Darintake mod (w/screen,) 00032 trans recode, high flow race cats (courtesy of 034 Motorsport,) plain black 3-spoke steering wheel, 605 "mod", painted rear valance, drilled rotors F&R, Metal Master front pads, VAST performance fan, clear corners, and various other things. FUTURE PROJECTS: NONE. She will be gone soon. Previous Rides: 1996 A4 2.8Q 1992 Acura Legend LS sedan 1986 Ford F-250 2WD

03-02-2007, 02:46 AM	#3
audifirst AudiWorld Super User Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,019	you passed 80 k so you not covered no more, even 8 years didn't passed I have 110k and my cat convt started to reminding me that is failing , I am no longer covered even the 8 year is about to pass in October __________________ Cluster Fix Solution You Tube Audi A6 site Audi A4 site FAQ for B5 Audi Audi A4 Cluster differences Audi A6 Cluster differences DIY ABS module replacement

03-02-2007, 04:45 AM	#4
jfk92 Junior Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 779	that stinks...my cats went as well this past nov I think...maybe it was Dec...anyway it was at 83K.....yeah, go figure. so I did what any other cheap bastard would do, bought a VAG-COM and reset the light every other week after reading codes....if they replace the cats and sensor's you're looking at way over $3K...... __________________ H-Sport Sways H&R Sport Springs Koni Adjustable Shocks ToyGuy Short Shifter Smoked Hella Tails Smoked Side Markers Debadged

03-02-2007, 06:52 AM	#5
StartXJeff New Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 222	Just had a CAT replaced at 75k miles...... and the EPA Warranty is just that... an EPA warranty on total miles, not miles since in service -- ie: demo sold at reduced price with 5k miles - so EPA warranty ends at 80k, not 85k miles with the extra 5k added. Tough luck.... that's an expensive bill if you get it done at the dealer beyond 80k. My cost was $50 bucks. ($50 bucks to clear the code, generate a "ready" signal, generate a work order (shop ticket #) to submit a warranty claim, and wait for the code to trip again)

03-02-2007, 07:05 AM	#6
drhaller AudiWorld Senior Member 2008 Audi A4 My Garage Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,069	how long till the code re-appeared? Do I have to wait for the full OBD cycle to run all its tests? I hope it comes on quickly - at least within 1400 miles :-). /dan

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03-02-2007, 10:08 AM	#7
StartXJeff New Member Garage is empty, add now Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 222	Let me put it this way. picked up Mon @ 8am, dropped back off @ 4pm. I drove it at lunch about 40 miles or so and the CEl returned. Of course, they also test drove it after the reset about 100 miles (I asked them the service manager to drive it a few days over the weekend to see if he could just keep it in the shop). Anyhow.... I only had right side CAT replaced under the EPA warranty. I have 4k miles to see if the other one fails. =) maybe I'll put 87 octane gas in her and see if that trips the code again. ....naaaawww.... that wouldn't be right.

03-02-2007, 04:03 PM	#8
drhaller AudiWorld Senior Member 2008 Audi A4 My Garage Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 1,069	I've got 65 on mine now still no CEL - will check the readiness flags tomorrow ... and drive it around. Did you get your pre-cat or main cat replaced? /dan

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