2002 PAX/RTP index #'s are up and boy do they look good!!

Michael Lee · 11-20-2001, 06:29 PM

http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/indexes/rtp02.html is the url page.

I'll give a brief explanation of PAX/RTP for those of you who may not be familiar with the idea of an index class. The index allows cars that are hugely dissimilar to race head to head against each other. A competitor would take their index time, multiply by their index # and then add on any cone or gate penanlties.

There's a term, "soft index" which means that the cars in class are faster than their index, sometimes by a huge amount. Come 2002, a stock legal S4 will be _THE_ deffination of soft pax!

0.798 is as slow as DS was when I started out autocrossing and DS was neons!

Oh, SM is 0.834 for those who are interested. Note that SS is 0.836, so you'd only have to lose by a little bit to SS to win! Or, someone with a CSP crx, RX3 or miata can strap on forcd induction, fatter rims and rubber and then procede to get a softer index! HAHA

Well I'm off to test what happens in NWR-SCCA's results given the new index #'s!

2002 index

WYSIWYG · 11-20-2001, 09:56 PM

Michael Lee · 11-21-2001, 12:55 AM

Interesting data follows:

To quote my 2001 codriver, Jeff Winchell
"Due to index changes and class changes

Favorable:
Audi S4 went from .817 to .798
Neon ACR's .796 PAX to .785.

In the opposite direction:
S2000 and Boxster from .820 PAX to .828
Type R, Audi TT, IS300, WRX, DSM Turbo, BMW 3 series NOC,Celica GTS ('00+) from
.789 to .798"

Also, I don't know if there are any guys who follow the PAX class in seattle but there are sone interesting changes if the 2002 index is used.

http://PonyCar.Net/NWR_What_If.asp

To recalculate the season's results in PAX and PAX Ladies if we had used the RTP index this year, and another scenario if we used the 2002 PAX index and the new class structure for Stock. "

dingster · 11-21-2001, 01:28 AM

Audiboy · 11-21-2001, 08:59 AM

don't win by a large margin so they keep the S4 in DS he he

Warren Wang · 11-21-2001, 10:25 AM

Audiboy · 11-21-2001, 11:01 AM

ColoradoMark · 11-22-2001, 06:06 AM

Otherwise I, and everyone else in G-Stock, would have been one place lower in all the events last season.

Looks like the Neons will be my problem in 2002

Warren Wang · 11-27-2001, 12:00 PM

Michael Lee · 11-30-2001, 01:33 AM

I've finished my first season up here in seattle shooting it out with the likes of Ron Bauer, Joe Goeke, Alan Dahl, Glen Hernandez, Stacey Molliker, Curt Ormiston, Jodi Fordahl, Greg Fordahl, Scotty B. White, etc. You get a whupping but I consider it a whupping for educational purposes!

www.nwr-scca.org has the results if anyone is curious. BTW, 2002 will be my first season running a borrowed Audi so wish me luck. The ACR is getting parked!

11-20-2001, 06:29 PM	#1
Michael Lee New Member Account #: 26834 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 35	2002 PAX/RTP index #'s are up and boy do they look good!! http://www.scca-chicago.com/solo/indexes/rtp02.html is the url page. I'll give a brief explanation of PAX/RTP for those of you who may not be familiar with the idea of an index class. The index allows cars that are hugely dissimilar to race head to head against each other. A competitor would take their index time, multiply by their index # and then add on any cone or gate penanlties. There's a term, "soft index" which means that the cars in class are faster than their index, sometimes by a huge amount. Come 2002, a stock legal S4 will be _THE_ deffination of soft pax! 0.798 is as slow as DS was when I started out autocrossing and DS was neons! Oh, SM is 0.834 for those who are interested. Note that SS is 0.836, so you'd only have to lose by a little bit to SS to win! Or, someone with a CSP crx, RX3 or miata can strap on forcd induction, fatter rims and rubber and then procede to get a softer index! HAHA Well I'm off to test what happens in NWR-SCCA's results given the new index #'s! 2002 index

11-20-2001, 09:56 PM	#2
WYSIWYG AudiWorld Super User Account #: 12079 Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 19,995	is that also SCCA SoloII's index for 2002? __________________ Edward Morfe

11-21-2001, 12:55 AM	#3
Michael Lee New Member Account #: 26834 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 35	I've been told that it will be. Interesting data follows: To quote my 2001 codriver, Jeff Winchell "Due to index changes and class changes Favorable: Audi S4 went from .817 to .798 Neon ACR's .796 PAX to .785. In the opposite direction: S2000 and Boxster from .820 PAX to .828 Type R, Audi TT, IS300, WRX, DSM Turbo, BMW 3 series NOC,Celica GTS ('00+) from .789 to .798" Also, I don't know if there are any guys who follow the PAX class in seattle but there are sone interesting changes if the 2002 index is used. http://PonyCar.Net/NWR_What_If.asp To recalculate the season's results in PAX and PAX Ladies if we had used the RTP index this year, and another scenario if we used the 2002 PAX index and the new class structure for Stock. "

11-21-2001, 01:28 AM	#4
dingster Member Account #: 776 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 3,349	I have a feeling the ITRs will still kick a$$ in DS __________________

11-21-2001, 08:59 AM	#5
Audiboy AudiWorld Super User Account #: 9 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 13,205	"Come 2002, a stock legal S4 will be _THE_ definition of soft pax" - Go get em, but... don't win by a large margin so they keep the S4 in DS he he __________________ --- no sig --- FAQ Mk1 A4 - by BSK Mk1 TT - by QuietsTTorm

11-21-2001, 10:25 AM	#6
Warren Wang AudiWorld Super User Account #: 193 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 2,359	Lots of juice, but it'll be tough to catch Type R's. Fauth is a machine.

11-21-2001, 11:01 AM	#7
Audiboy AudiWorld Super User Account #: 9 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 13,205	oops forgot about them. They should be in BS ;) __________________ --- no sig --- FAQ Mk1 A4 - by BSK Mk1 TT - by QuietsTTorm

11-22-2001, 06:06 AM	#8
ColoradoMark Member Account #: 3940 Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,010	Fortunately Fauth races in the x(expert) class locally Otherwise I, and everyone else in G-Stock, would have been one place lower in all the events last season. Looks like the Neons will be my problem in 2002 __________________ 2002 Allroad Spec e30 race car 2000 F-250 turbo diesel tow truck NASA Rocky Mountain Group 3 leader

11-27-2001, 12:00 PM	#9
Warren Wang AudiWorld Super User Account #: 193 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 2,359	Well. Looks like Fauth is going to be campaigning a different car. Something rwd.

11-30-2001, 01:33 AM	#10
Michael Lee New Member Account #: 26834 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 35	you should try the PRO/PAX/expert/X class sometime. I've finished my first season up here in seattle shooting it out with the likes of Ron Bauer, Joe Goeke, Alan Dahl, Glen Hernandez, Stacey Molliker, Curt Ormiston, Jodi Fordahl, Greg Fordahl, Scotty B. White, etc. You get a whupping but I consider it a whupping for educational purposes! www.nwr-scca.org has the results if anyone is curious. BTW, 2002 will be my first season running a borrowed Audi so wish me luck. The ACR is getting parked!

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