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Old 10-15-2002, 11:51 AM   #1
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Default RS6 vs M5

Which is faster? I've done a lot of reviews but no once will say if it is faster than the M5 or not.
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Old 10-15-2002, 01:54 PM   #2
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Default Re: RS6 vs M5

the RS6 is faster on the shorter acceleration
the M5 is faster on the longer acceleration..
with that I'm talking about
0>100 <short>
100>200 <long>

alltough there's just a little difference,
the Audi is -much- faster on wet roads.. becouse of quattro
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Old 10-15-2002, 02:19 PM   #3
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Default Re: RS6 vs M5

Given the equal weight, the RS6 has a much higher torque output at all RPMs. I dunno about gearing though. Can't imagine it is so superior (for acceleration purposes) on the M5 as to nullify the diff in torque output.

Aerodynamics...I believe both are .29 drag coeff. yes?

What I do know is, the M5, while being about 700 lbs heavier than a Corvette C5, is just as strong in acceleration from 0-150mph. Actually a tad better even. Yes, it's got close to 50 horses on the Corvette, but it's far heavier. Plus I am sure better (more suitable) gearing.

I doubt an M5 can beat an RS6 in any acceleration run, short of say 1st gear. But it won't be smacked up, that's for sure.

An SL55 AMG, even though 4400 lbs, will destroy both cars from 100mph to say 170 or whatever. =)
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Old 10-15-2002, 02:30 PM   #4
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Default Well, it's all going to depend how good the M5 driver is with a clutch;-)

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Old 10-15-2002, 02:32 PM   #5
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Default Re: RS6 vs M5

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According to "Track Challenge", the RS6 is quicker in almost all respects,

0-100 km/h
0-200 km/h
Top Speed
Nuerburgring lap time
Hockenheim lap time

The M5 was quicker 80-120 km/h in 4th gear; and quicker braking 100-0 km/hr. Both cars cornered at 1.1g.

IMHO, the lap times at Hockenheim and the Nuerburgring are the best indicators of any car's overall performance. Since with an 8 min 12 sec lap time at the latter, the RS6 was only 5 sec quicker than the M5, ... the cars are very comparable.

Then again, I've seen the S8 run quicker laps times than the M5 on a road course, but it may have been the driver :-)
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Old 10-15-2002, 04:02 PM   #6
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Default German TV video -- Sprint between RS6 vs M5 vs new E 55 AMG

For your answer, just click on "Video zum Beitrag" in the URL Link below. Basic Internet translation of the German commentary is attached below in my post. Wish the video had included the Jaguar S-Type R for comparison.
In the video, there was a sprint between the 3 cars, but the RS6 was slowest out of the blocks.The 5-spd auto transmission Mercedes claims 0-62 times for its 476HP E55AMG that are as fast as the RS6's 4.7 sec claims, with a base price tag that's only 1,000 Euros more. However, in the test 0--62 sprints, the RS6 only managed 5.5 sec. The sprint aside, these Munich-based TV program had some nice things to say about the RS6's handling, steering, traction, braking, chassis, etc., even compared to the M5. These testers are current or former professional racing drivers.

Mercedes will be launching its AMG version so early in the new E class's life cycle, while the E class design is fresh and the RS6 has just been released. Will this E 55 AMG knock the wind out of the RS6 for Audi or will this first year E 55 prove to be a prematurely-released car?

TRANSLATION OF GERMAN COMMENTARY

SPEED LIMOS IN THE COMPARISON: RS6 Vs M5 Vs E55

They are connect extreme sportiness with the advantages of large travel sedans. The new Mercedes E 55 AMG with 476 HP meets the AUDI RS6 with 450 HP and the BMW M5 with 400 HP.

First extreme examination: The 360 meter Slalomparcours.

360 METER SLALOM COURSE, SPRINT STRENGTH & ROAD PERFORMANCE

E55 AMG: The 360 meter Slalom course: Not the Mercedes Domaeme: Reason: After approximately 200 meters the servo support diminishes, which hardens steering element. Only with trouble the E55 can be directed then still around the suspension pylons. Without ESP it is only difficult for very experienced pilots to control and demands the driver visibly.

What keeps the Mercedes in track however is its parade discipline. Brachial presses the 5.5 litres of V8-Kompressor the Mercedes forward. From zero on one hundred only 4.8 seconds, speed 200 offense already reach it after 14.6 seconds. Topspeed: 250 km/h - electronically abgeregelt. With the Mercedes braked on the average 38 meters from one hundred on zero needs.

RS6: The AUDI RS6 makes the best impression in the Slalomparcours. Owing to its very direct and precise steering element he completes the hardness test very easy. With its all-wheel drive the AUDI krallt itself formally into the asphalt. Even with switched off ESP it shines by outstanding traction.

With the road performance measurements the RS6 misses however the factory specifications. In the print of kind of condition on 100 it needs 5.5 seconds. Until speed 200 is reached, further 12 seconds offense. Also the Ingolstaedter is electronically abgeregelt with 250 km/h. In astonishes the AUDI braked, although with 1915 Kilos the heaviest in the test it stands on the average after 37 meters.

M5: On the Slalomparcours also the BMW feels well. It remains always well controllable - with or without electronic driving assistance. The frontier is well it mobile. The steering element, similarly as those of the AUDI, very precisely. It does not harden also after many track switchings.

For the Sprint on 100 the BMW needs 5.3 seconds, however the experienced driver reaches this value only without electronic aids. DSC robs too much achievement from the engine. Despite nominal lowest HP number, of 50 less than with the AUDI, he lies in keeps in track in such a way before the RS6. In the delay the resident of Munich keeps up not completely with the competition. Its braking distance on the average: 39 meters - readjusting ABS causes the property against it by: The to be dosedness of the brake.

VISUAL DESIGN AND ENGINE SPECS
The three strongest German sport sedans. Everyone for itself a genuine Hingucker.

E55 AMG: The newest in the federation: the Mercedes Benz AMG E55. The strongest e-class of all times. Imposant the tail. Four final pipes and a again-formed tail apron. The interior used generously and nobly. The sport seats are not only offered to exzellenten side stop, also on long distances sits very comfortably. The steering wheel is pleasantly griffig. To switch the driver can also over buttons at the steering wheel back. The 8 cylinders compressor carries 476 HP out. Its torque is with sumptuous 700 Newtonmeters.

RS6: The AUDI works bullig and aggressively. It stands alternatively on 18 or 19 Zoellern. R-S 6 emblem, the two oval final pots and the tail spoiler witness from unrestrained strength. The interior works - by the pappel wood inserts - not completely as high-quality as with Mercedes and BMW. The actually good Recaro of sport seats suffers by the too smooth leather purchase - offer somewhat little stop. Well: The broad switching jacks at the steering wheel. The heart of the RS 6: a Biturbo. The deeply grummelnde Bi-turbo carries 450 HP and 560 Newtonmeters out torque.

M5: One saw oneself not yet full: at the fastest fuenfer. In the back it stands on 275'er rollers. In the BMW it means: clean-set and probably-feel. Also at long-distance comfort it does not lack it. Desire-fully one zappt oneself by the six courses. The 5 litres suction engine brings 400 HP and 500 Newtonmeters to torque. Over the entire number of revolutions volume it tightens nearly greedily.

WINDING RACE COURSE
E55 AMG: The bear-strong Mercedes pushes its propulsion principle with rapid pace on the racing course to the borders. Its ESP brakes the driving joy, without the centrifuge brake is controllable it only for very experienced pilots. The guidance angle is here larger than with the competition. On long distances however the E55 drives itself silk-softly.

RS6: The AUDI lies on the Handlingparcours as on rails. It behaves easily under-steering to neutral. It from the trace to throw, is nearly impossible. Owing to its special, DRC of absorption system mentioned it develops only small side inclination. It unfolds its strength completely without turbo-hole.

M5: Also the BMW offers a nearly perfect handling for sportily ambitionierte pilots. On the handling course the well co-ordinated switch makes for special fun. Easily unsteuernd into the curve purely and easily overriding again raus. Preset DSC is switched off. Additional praise gives for the steering element.

RESULT OF THE COMPARISON
M5: The BMW M5 is a sportsman of old school. Suction engine, transmissions and chassis prepare - with or without ESP much fun.

RS6: With the AUDI RS6 convince brakes, chassis, steering element and traction without reservation. In the road performances it can keep up however not completely with the competition.

E55 AMG: The engine of the E55 AMG is the Non plus Ultra, the Mercedes is the high-speed travel sedan. With him the electronics aids are however nearly indispensable, for the racing course are not made he.

There is the BMW starting from 74.500 euro, the AUDI starting from 86.500 euro and for the Mercedes must at least 87,580 euro be put down.
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Old 10-15-2002, 04:45 PM   #7
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Default Re: RS6 vs M5

We are talking about the new generation Audi and E55AMG and the old gen M5 right?

Just wanted to make sure.
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Old 10-15-2002, 05:40 PM   #8
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Default You got any source for S8 Ring times? TIA. :)

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Old 10-15-2002, 06:18 PM   #9
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Default Add chips to both. MTM has a prototype already. ;)

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Old 10-15-2002, 07:08 PM   #10
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Default Sorry, no. I wish I did, though; I'm curious too.

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