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Old 03-11-2003, 05:15 PM   #1
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Default XENON upgrades? Easy to install xenon to non-xenon cars?

Anyone with info would be great! I just purchased a '99 A6 avant with approx 86k. It has everything except for NAV, Phone, Xenons and warm weather pkg. I'd like to see if Xenons are doable, I've already rec'd some replies in re: NAV system. Considering a tip steering wheel and I don't really need a phone but would be nice to combine Audi phone system with other brands of cell phones for hands free operation. Also, I really wanted the rear sunshades in the doors for my car. Is it possible to install those on cars without them? I'm sure there's a way and if anyone is selling theirs...just thought I'd ask...I'm interested. Currently I'm running bone stock with s4 avus wheels with 235/45 Conti 2's. Other than that I've only just begun. On another note, coilovers VS. eibach or H&R and bilsteins. Which way do I go? I don't track the car, nor do I intend to. And I commute 95+ miles a day to and from work so comfort is a priority, with performance a very close second. Any and all replies are greatly appreciated! TIA
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Old 03-11-2003, 05:17 PM   #2
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Default Re: XENON upgrades? Easy to install xenon to non-xenon cars?

also, anyone try just sport springs from H&R or Eibach without doing new shocks??? How was the ride? Would you have done it again or just plunk down the cash for shocks now? Thanks again!
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'85 5000cs turbo - sold
'85 5000s turbo - sold
'79 Honda CVCC - bartyred/traded/parted out/ditched
'88 VW scirocco 16v "vdevilu" - totalled
'89 200 turbo - sold
'84 scirocco - abandoned
'85 scirocco - "junked" after loaned to an ex-friend
'86 Porsche 928S - look on my wife's finger
'86 Jetta GL - sold
'94 90 CS - sold
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'94 740i - wife's
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Old 03-11-2003, 06:45 PM   #3
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Default I would be inclined to recommend that you drop the idea about the Xenons

I thought about this seriously, a couple years ago. But then changed my mind. One important issue, these conversion kits do not give you the automatic lamp-leveling ability that is mandated for Xexon installations by U.S. D.O.T. Depending on which State you live in, that can mean automatic trouble with the police, and probably difficulties passing state vehicle inspections. Some of these kits with bulbs that require you to more or less mangle the rear access of the lamp housing, in order to make the bulb seat correctly. All of them will require some cutting or modification of the weather covers on the back. And none of them provide for any weather protection of the ballasts (unlike factory installations). The ballasts are out in the open, under your hood. If you are going to insist on making the conversion, the best kit I had seen out there was one offered by a UK company, Autolamps-Online.com. But I noticed tonight that there site does not pull up-anybody know whether they are still in business? The main benefit of their kit-it is designed to draw power for the ballasts from a lead that is run directly to the car's battery. Most of the other conversion kits out there rely on pulling power for the ballasts solely from the leads for the bulb in the lamp housing: there have been reports, and good reason to believe that this approach put's far too much strain on the headlamp switch, leading it to fail after a time. And this is said to be an expensive repair once it happens. Most of these points were enough to persuade me to drop the idea. I bought
a pair of Phillips Vision Plus bulbs, instead. For $32 a pair, they are a lot cheaper than a $500-600 conversion kit. And the difference in brightness over the OEM halogen bulbs is quite dramatic.
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Old 03-11-2003, 07:34 PM   #4
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Default Contrary to popular belief....It can be done....and my install is proof. $550 installed.....


Here's the CliffNotes version of this story:

-Found two complete OEM Xenon housings (bulbs, ballasts, projectors) on Ebay from a auto salvage yards. It took me 4 months to find a matched set; one cost me $250 and the other was $225. Not stolen but, from A6's involved in accidents.

-Found an Audi Tech who was willing to remove my bumper and install both housings for $75 (after hours, of course). It took him 1 1/2 hours for the install.

-Brought my car the the dealer to have them adjust the height/width levels (all to Audi specs).

My wife drives this Avant (with our 7 month old son) and has told me [on several occassions] that her visibility at night was greatly improved...vs. the halogens....which was the main reason for adding the Xenons.

Conditions:
Because my car wasn't originally setup with the OEM Xenon's, the auto-leveling mechanisms don't function. Partly because there is a sensor mounted near the rear axle that is constantly adjusting the level. My Audi parts guy told me that it would be "freaking" expensive to try to install this sensor and route the wires. For me, this wasn't an issue.

Feel free to email me and I'll give you the details on how to do what I did.

PS...
-OEM NAV: Too expensive to retrofit the OEM setup; nobody has done it.
-Rear sunshades are now a $100 accessory; I added them myself. Order from ClairParts and have your dealer install. They are tricky to install and involve drilling two small holes in the top of the door panel.
-I'm in the process of installing a hands-free cellphone (integrated with the existing pre-wiring) for my LG TM510. I'll keep you guys posted.
-Congrats on the Avus! Lots of us run those rims on our A6's. Check my picture poster for my pix.
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- 2005 Chrysler Pacifica Touring (Nav, Sirius, Bluetooth, Xenon, TPMS, ParkSense, DVD Changer - basically loaded)
- 2003 Vespa ET2 (modified exhaust and carb -- so I can max out at 45MPH)
- John Deere Gator (4x2) for the boy

As of November 2006:

Accessory Add-ons:
(Definition: An item that provides a specific function - in a cyclical nature - and can be removed very..very easily.)
1) OEM winter floor mats
2) OEM rubber trunk mat and cargo net
3) VW Touareg cigarette lighter flashlight
4) Thule roof bars with Evolution 1200 roof box

Upgrades:
(Definition: A [bolt-on/bolt-off] item that enhances the appearance, performance or misc function of your car.)
1) OEM front/rear Euro black Recaro Seats (from a Euro 2003 S6 Avant)
http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/618112.phtml
2) OEM HID/Xenon (complete) housings (car never came with the Xenon option from the factory)
3) OEM Euro front/rear (avant) beam-style wiper blades/arms (available via www.vagparts.com)
4) OEM B6 S4 Interior auto-dimming black mirror with compass and on/off button
5) OEM Euro blindspot exterior mirrors
6) OEM S6/4.2 exterior lower door trim
7) OEM S4/S6/S8 aluminum mirror housings
8) OEM Euro rear license plate panel from 2002+ facelift avant (slight MODification to US plate required)
9) ?
10) OEM Euro RNS-E DVD Navigation system with MP3, SAT control and TV input
11) Dietz 1417 A/V input to RNS-E
12) Blaupunkt ME3 DVD/CD/MP3/TV Tuner with aftermarket amplified TV antenna in windshield
13) OEM Sirius tuner (special version to work with RNS-E)
14) OEM Phatnoise Phatbox MP3 player (trunk mounted) with custom interface cable to allow Sirius tuner and Phatbox to work together -- cool!!
15) ?
16) BBS RC 17x8 ET35 with Michelin Pilot Sports (summer tires)
17) 2002+ Rear bumper with valance openings for Magnaflow 3" exhaust tips
18) OEM submarine fin roof antenna for SAT / GPS / Cellphone (GSM)
19) OEM Euro gunmetal black avant roof rails
20) 2002+ Climate control faceplate to match faceplate color of RNS-E
21) Walnut wood trim near hazard button (above RNS-E) to match rest of interior wood scheme
22) OEM Euro Avant door panels with integrated sunshades (imported from Germany to match the black leather in my Euro Recaro interior)
23) OEM Euro blacked out front grille (no chrome perimeter)
24) OEM gunmetal black lower rear hatch strip (specific part# for avant vs. sedan)
25) OEM RS6 gunmetal black interior door latches; no need to add any RS6 badges in my car (Thanks Nelson!!!)
26) OEM Euro four spoke walnut wood and black leather (special order via Audi GmbH) multi-function wheel with tip buttons and OEM phone (BT) control
27) Upgraded "618" MF/Tip control module

Coming soon:
- rear mounted removable 7" LCD panel

MODifications:
(Definition: Any permenant change to a part or component of your car that you cannot reverse)
1) Tray under armrest to add aux. cigarette lighter
2) OEM avant CD changer bracket MODified (to fit two large CD changers etc) - now I just use it for Phatbox, OEM SAT tuner and OEM BT module.
3) Exhaust tips MODified to add Magna Flow (#35163) 3" dual walled tip
4) Factory wiring behind Sym I to simplify installation/removal of RNS-E
5) MODified glovebox to support fitment of Blaupunkt ME3 (a biatch to install!!)
6) MODified headlight switch bezel for fitment of GALA switch for "video-in-motion" for playing Blaupunkt ME3 through RNSE
7) MODified stock exhaust and had magnaflow 3" tips welded on (see above)
8) MODified rear Euro license plate surround to house 2nd rear foglight (2001 model only came with one from the factory); US license plate needed to be MODified a bit to fit inside the narrow Euro opening.


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Old 03-11-2003, 11:47 PM   #5
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Default Shocks now!!!

Unless you have the sport package which would be ok. But I had the non sport shocks with Eibachs and the ride is horrible. The ride is still very supple over small road imperfections but larger bumps send the car bouncing like crazy (having that doubt dipping action) Now with Bilstein shocks the ride is a bit firmer over smaller bumps but the rebound control is a huge huge difference.
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Old 03-12-2003, 08:56 AM   #6
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Default Yes, an OEM retrofit is possible, but....

As you mentioned, the levelers are not set up to work. And trying to set up that pesky rear sensor, post-OEM,is probably next to impossible. I am not wishing you any bad luck by any means, but the two risks I see that you face with such an installation-a) trouble with your State's vehicle inspection service, should they decide to check your car's lamp system, and b)if you get into any kind of vehicle accident with another car, one in which your headlamps were switched on, you may end up being found liable, if the other side or the police discover that you had a Xenon set-up that did not fully comply with D.O.T. mandates.
With the way things are in our country's courts, you can just imagine the litigation possibilities.
I just don't know that it is worth the risk, even if a small one.
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