Recoded A6 TIP experience

illbay · 05-08-2002, 10:44 PM

I bit the bullet and recoded my '01 2.7T TIP transmission to the 00032 setting. Those of you who don't remember what this does; it's supposed to put you into a permanent sport mode and allow use of 1st gear in TIP mode.

First of all, doing the coding takes 2 minutes max. Very simple if you have the SW tool and the special diagnostic cable.

My impressions: the good news:
1. Yup, in TIP mode from a standing stop you can hold 1st gear all the way to redline. You need to have your foot into the throttle just a "bit" or it will shift to 2nd right away, but it isn't a problem. This is a huge improvement as I feel like I gained another gear. A word of caution; 1st gear is REALLY low and it's easy to get to redline VERY quick. BIG FUN. This works as advertised. Hallaluiah
2. In TIP mode, the shifts are now quicker. Shifting is a blast as you no longer have to be a psychic and plan ahead 2-3 seconds for upshifts and downshifts. There's still a small delay, but it's greatly improved from stock and quite OK.
3. In normal DRIVE, it "feels" like there's less throttle modulation between shifts. Maybe I was just in a good mood. I can't back this up, but that's my impression. The car seemed to "GO" a bit better, but again, that's just an impression.

My impressions: so so news:
4. You can't downshift into 1st to decelerate. Granted, you can tap the gas and click the TIP lever into "1" and it will downshift easier than stock, but as soon as you let off the throttle it'll shift right back into "2". I tried everything; I'm convinced you can't use "1" to decelerate (is there another secret?)
5. The 1->2 shift in "D" still happens too early just like the stock coding. Stepping harder on the throttle delays the shift, but you REALLY have to add a lot of throttle to delay the 1->2 shift. This is still annoying to me. [But now I can play all I want accelerating with 1st gear in TIP mode].
6. When in "D" or in TIP mode and coming to a slow stop, I still feel the annoying 2->1 downshift at 2-3 MPH. [What's that all about?], Same behavior as the stock coding.

This is definately a worthwhile mod and makes the car more fun to drive. I still have a wish list of improved TIP features (like forced 2->1 downshifts for engine braking).

As I mentioned, the coding operation takes just 2 minutes (or less). It's just as easy to return the coding to stock if you're paranoid about the warranty. I'm sure this new coding will be widely deployed as time passes as the car should have been shipped this way.

Finally, to the person or persons that discovered and contributed to this feature, THANKS!

...bill

Stoney · 05-08-2002, 11:10 PM

BTW, others don't necessarily see the down sides mentioned here, and feel even more positive. The consistency and smoothness of shifting and lack of need for throttle modulation is a real plus, making shifting "transparent."

May depend on the model and year you have, though.

Auto Union Jack · 05-08-2002, 11:43 PM

Stoney · 05-09-2002, 12:47 AM

TCM = Transmission control module.

VAG-com = an interface between your car and a computer that allows reading of error codes, and some recoding of settings in your TCM and engine computer. It is made and sold by

drhaller's recoding information, "00032" describes the recoding that changes Tip performance.

Be warned: this is not supported by Audi, and may void warranty (esp if people keep talking about it). Don't ask the dealer to do it!

Also, you should recode it back to normal before you take your car in for service. Otherwise, the mechanics may think something is wrong, and could waste time/money diagnosing it. Be ethical and wise.

VAG Tool Locator - where to borrow one to get someone nearby to help you do the recoding (or just go to an Audi/VW meet).

Yahoo! Groups : VAG-COM Messages for more about VAG-com, or search Audiworld for "vag-com" and perhaps "Tip" or "TCM".

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Potomac-Greg · 05-09-2002, 07:30 AM

It's a fairly pronounced thunk , which is not a problem to me if it's only in TIP mode. But in (D) mode, I can see it becoming annoying.

DWP · 05-09-2002, 08:18 AM

rally · 05-09-2002, 08:42 AM

The quickest way to brake a tranny is to shift into first at speed.

hemant · 05-09-2002, 08:51 AM

DWP · 05-09-2002, 09:04 AM

illbay · 05-09-2002, 09:15 AM

..even before recoding. I'ts not a big deal, but it's annoying.

...bill

05-08-2002, 10:44 PM	#1
illbay New Member Account #: 31405 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 142	Recoded A6 TIP experience I bit the bullet and recoded my '01 2.7T TIP transmission to the 00032 setting. Those of you who don't remember what this does; it's supposed to put you into a permanent sport mode and allow use of 1st gear in TIP mode. First of all, doing the coding takes 2 minutes max. Very simple if you have the SW tool and the special diagnostic cable. My impressions: the good news: 1. Yup, in TIP mode from a standing stop you can hold 1st gear all the way to redline. You need to have your foot into the throttle just a "bit" or it will shift to 2nd right away, but it isn't a problem. This is a huge improvement as I feel like I gained another gear. A word of caution; 1st gear is REALLY low and it's easy to get to redline VERY quick. BIG FUN. This works as advertised. Hallaluiah 2. In TIP mode, the shifts are now quicker. Shifting is a blast as you no longer have to be a psychic and plan ahead 2-3 seconds for upshifts and downshifts. There's still a small delay, but it's greatly improved from stock and quite OK. 3. In normal DRIVE, it "feels" like there's less throttle modulation between shifts. Maybe I was just in a good mood. I can't back this up, but that's my impression. The car seemed to "GO" a bit better, but again, that's just an impression. My impressions: so so news: 4. You can't downshift into 1st to decelerate. Granted, you can tap the gas and click the TIP lever into "1" and it will downshift easier than stock, but as soon as you let off the throttle it'll shift right back into "2". I tried everything; I'm convinced you can't use "1" to decelerate (is there another secret?) 5. The 1->2 shift in "D" still happens too early just like the stock coding. Stepping harder on the throttle delays the shift, but you REALLY have to add a lot of throttle to delay the 1->2 shift. This is still annoying to me. [But now I can play all I want accelerating with 1st gear in TIP mode]. 6. When in "D" or in TIP mode and coming to a slow stop, I still feel the annoying 2->1 downshift at 2-3 MPH. [What's that all about?], Same behavior as the stock coding. This is definately a worthwhile mod and makes the car more fun to drive. I still have a wish list of improved TIP features (like forced 2->1 downshifts for engine braking). As I mentioned, the coding operation takes just 2 minutes (or less). It's just as easy to return the coding to stock if you're paranoid about the warranty. I'm sure this new coding will be widely deployed as time passes as the car should have been shipped this way. Finally, to the person or persons that discovered and contributed to this feature, THANKS! ...bill

05-08-2002, 11:10 PM	#2
Stoney AudiWorld Super User Account #: 230 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,270	I've never wanted to shift into 1st for braking, even in my stick cars. BTW, others don't necessarily see the down sides mentioned here, and feel even more positive. The consistency and smoothness of shifting and lack of need for throttle modulation is a real plus, making shifting "transparent." May depend on the model and year you have, though. __________________ A6 (C5 platform) FAQ Stoney's Picture Library Email: jds@sonolithics.RemoveThisPart.com 2001 A6 4.2L, Sport, Premium, Nemo Blue, Melange Interior

05-08-2002, 11:43 PM	#3
Auto Union Jack Senior Member Account #: 13568 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 6,516	It really is that good, ain't it? :D

05-09-2002, 12:47 AM	#4
Stoney AudiWorld Super User Account #: 230 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,270	Refresher on what "recoding the Tip" or "TCM recoding" means... TCM = Transmission control module. VAG-com = an interface between your car and a computer that allows reading of error codes, and some recoding of settings in your TCM and engine computer. It is made and sold by drhaller's recoding information, "00032" describes the recoding that changes Tip performance. Be warned: this is not supported by Audi, and may void warranty (esp if people keep talking about it). Don't ask the dealer to do it! Also, you should recode it back to normal before you take your car in for service. Otherwise, the mechanics may think something is wrong, and could waste time/money diagnosing it. Be ethical and wise. VAG Tool Locator - where to borrow one to get someone nearby to help you do the recoding (or just go to an Audi/VW meet). Yahoo! Groups : VAG-COM Messages for more about VAG-com, or search Audiworld for "vag-com" and perhaps "Tip" or "TCM". Disable Bose features if adding aftermarket speakers and amps Coding the A6 control module with VAG-Com tool Fun with VAG-COM How to set motion sensor sensitivity with VAG-tool Turn down motion sensor with VAG-com tool Remove A6 speed governor using VAG tool? Throttle Adaptation with VAG-Com tool VAG tool from Ross-Tech VAG-COM Vag-com: Volkswagen/Audi "Standardized" Measuring Block Groups for Gasoline Engines Twin-Com: Audi B6 (2002 A4) Diagnostics Information __________________ A6 (C5 platform) FAQ Stoney's Picture Library Email: jds@sonolithics.RemoveThisPart.com 2001 A6 4.2L, Sport, Premium, Nemo Blue, Melange Interior

05-09-2002, 07:30 AM	#5
Potomac-Greg AudiWorld Super User Account #: 18626 Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 21,866	So the harsh 2-1 downshift formerly limited to TIP mode now happens in (D)? That's a small problem. It's a fairly pronounced thunk , which is not a problem to me if it's only in TIP mode. But in (D) mode, I can see it becoming annoying. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Mine: 2002 Mercedes Benz C32 / ///AMG Family Choo Choo: 2008 MB GL320 CDI Track Ho: 1988 Porschuh 944 Recent History: Audi 2002 TT Roadster History: Audi 2000 A6 2.7T Ancient History: Audi 1991 90Q 20V

05-09-2002, 08:18 AM	#6
DWP AudiWorld Super User Account #: 1043 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,493	It's rare, but on the last turn at Streets of Willow, you definitely need 1st going in. __________________ My Audis: 05 A4 Ultrasport 3.0 MT. Silver on ebony leather. Debadged, ClearBra, AMS Short Shifter, MagnaFlows, RS4 Reps, RS4 Rear Sway Bar, 4-ring valve caps, Premium, Bose, Sirius, Warm, Cold, other stuff. 02 2.7T Irish Green Sport Tip Gone but never forgotten 2001 A4 1.8TQM w/ Bilsteins & Vogtland sport springs, TSB, APR Snub, 17" OEM Avus S4's, GIAC Chip, V&S Short Shifter, H-sport bars, APR Cat-back, A8 rotors, clear corners, PIAA Superwhites, sunglass holder mod. '87 4KQ Bone Stock Gone after all these years email:DWPMR@YAHOOdotCOM

05-09-2002, 08:42 AM	#7
rally Member Account #: 14839 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,106	I bet braking earlier and accelerating through the turn in second is much faster. The quickest way to brake a tranny is to shift into first at speed. __________________

05-09-2002, 08:51 AM	#8
hemant Junior Member Account #: 547 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 892	Are the shifts quicker in "D" mode also, or just in TIP mode?

05-09-2002, 09:04 AM	#9
DWP AudiWorld Super User Account #: 1043 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 5,493	Nah! Gotta come out in 1st. Therefore, gotta go in in 1st. __________________ My Audis: 05 A4 Ultrasport 3.0 MT. Silver on ebony leather. Debadged, ClearBra, AMS Short Shifter, MagnaFlows, RS4 Reps, RS4 Rear Sway Bar, 4-ring valve caps, Premium, Bose, Sirius, Warm, Cold, other stuff. 02 2.7T Irish Green Sport Tip Gone but never forgotten 2001 A4 1.8TQM w/ Bilsteins & Vogtland sport springs, TSB, APR Snub, 17" OEM Avus S4's, GIAC Chip, V&S Short Shifter, H-sport bars, APR Cat-back, A8 rotors, clear corners, PIAA Superwhites, sunglass holder mod. '87 4KQ Bone Stock Gone after all these years email:DWPMR@YAHOOdotCOM

05-09-2002, 09:15 AM	#10
illbay New Member Account #: 31405 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 142	I've always had the 2->1 thunk in D... ..even before recoding. I'ts not a big deal, but it's annoying. ...bill

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