Need some help again! Got a question regarding overall timing please see log inside

Ah10@WMS · 10-10-2006, 10:14 AM

Did another log this morning but i have a few questions on overall timing.

Ambient temp:66F
Fuel: 100oct(1/2 a tank)
File: X file
Humidity:67%
Altitude: 430ft
Boost: just a hair under 22psi spike, taper to 20psi by redline

Here we go:

Here is my specific question, why is the overall timing bounce? it was on its way climbing up and what a sudden it drops and climb back up? cf were too good(in a way i dont like it that much, would like to see some CF) and knock wasnt bad and it didnt have too many sudden spike?

Sorry, forgot to hit the start button on the WB but i didnt touch fueling for a long time afr should stay the same as last log, low to mid 11's in midrange and 11.5:1 right before i let off.

Anyone knows (Mr. M&M, Nyet, Midget, Flyboy, Dap, SmokingS4, Dvs2.7T and ............)why is overall timing bounces? when i run pump gas i didnt see such activities only when i am on Race gas.
I remember Midget and SLPRS4 have the same Experience before!

Thanks

PSmalls::AnalRetentiveNumbNut · 10-10-2006, 10:18 AM

when it sees high mid range timing due to race gas adaptation.

Mine is much more pronounced than yours because I pulled the ECU and added timing to get the midrange timing higher:

Ah10@WMS · 10-10-2006, 10:21 AM

I would like to see just a little bit like 0~3d of cf(learn that from the Moss man).

would like to add timing as soon as i can figure out why overall timing bounces.

does it make sense to joo?

PSmalls::AnalRetentiveNumbNut · 10-10-2006, 10:21 AM

Patrick had similar CFs to me, but choppy timing like the post I made above....best of both worlds :P

B5QShip · 10-10-2006, 10:22 AM

Ah10@WMS · 10-10-2006, 10:24 AM

PSmalls::AnalRetentiveNumbNut · 10-10-2006, 10:25 AM

My only explanation could be that X just flat out freaks when it sees real solid mid/low range timing because it's not used to it.

When I didn't add timing via Lemmi and ran the same X settings with race gas, these were the results:

Lower mid/low range timing, but no crazy pullback which I guess resulted in good performance due to more timing under the curve?

BLK01S4::HB B!SH · 10-10-2006, 10:26 AM

which further proves IAT has a direct relation to overalltiming angle. you are starting at 100F and staying around there. I see nothing in the raw data to explain why other then high IATS to start off with.

jwolf::ASP S3 · 10-10-2006, 10:27 AM

BLK01S4::HB B!SH · 10-10-2006, 10:27 AM

10-10-2006, 10:14 AM	#1
Ah10@WMS AudiWorld Super User Account #: 9327 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 7,630	Need some help again! Got a question regarding overall timing please see log inside Did another log this morning but i have a few questions on overall timing. Ambient temp:66F Fuel: 100oct(1/2 a tank) File: X file Humidity:67% Altitude: 430ft Boost: just a hair under 22psi spike, taper to 20psi by redline Here we go: Here is my specific question, why is the overall timing bounce? it was on its way climbing up and what a sudden it drops and climb back up? cf were too good(in a way i dont like it that much, would like to see some CF) and knock wasnt bad and it didnt have too many sudden spike? Sorry, forgot to hit the start button on the WB but i didnt touch fueling for a long time afr should stay the same as last log, low to mid 11's in midrange and 11.5:1 right before i let off. Anyone knows (Mr. M&M, Nyet, Midget, Flyboy, Dap, SmokingS4, Dvs2.7T and ............)why is overall timing bounces? when i run pump gas i didnt see such activities only when i am on Race gas. I remember Midget and SLPRS4 have the same Experience before! Thanks __________________ WMS: 818-997-6500 ASP:856-772-9500 \|\| ASP Custom Tuned Stage 3 \|\| 710P \|\| Piggie DP \|\| ASP 89mm Truedual \|\| ASP TSB \|\| APR Boost Gauge \|\| RS4 Grille \|\| \|\| AWE Intercooler \|\| C M Stage 4, 6 puck & LWFW \|\| ASP Motor Mount \|\| RS4 Tranny Mount\|\| StaSIS Motorsport Ohlins \|\| \|\| 18" Work W-ITS 901 \|\| 245/35/18 ContiSport3 \|\| Ecode \|\| Modded RS4 Bumper \|\| StaSIS Motorsport Alcon 6pot 355 \|\| WMS Stage III: 3.54 fats on Pump 3.25 fats on Race gas both runs were on pump file 3.06 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File 2.93 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File in 40f weather

10-10-2006, 10:18 AM	#2
PSmalls::AnalRetentiveNumbNut Member Account #: 112331 Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,690	Holy crap, hope my car can get that fast on race gas. As for X, seems that it freaks out a bit... when it sees high mid range timing due to race gas adaptation. Mine is much more pronounced than yours because I pulled the ECU and added timing to get the midrange timing higher:

10-10-2006, 10:21 AM	#3
Ah10@WMS AudiWorld Super User Account #: 9327 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 7,630	I didnt add timing from Lemmi, I think i should, since i dont like to see Zero CF across the board I would like to see just a little bit like 0~3d of cf(learn that from the Moss man). would like to add timing as soon as i can figure out why overall timing bounces. does it make sense to joo? __________________ WMS: 818-997-6500 ASP:856-772-9500 \|\| ASP Custom Tuned Stage 3 \|\| 710P \|\| Piggie DP \|\| ASP 89mm Truedual \|\| ASP TSB \|\| APR Boost Gauge \|\| RS4 Grille \|\| \|\| AWE Intercooler \|\| C M Stage 4, 6 puck & LWFW \|\| ASP Motor Mount \|\| RS4 Tranny Mount\|\| StaSIS Motorsport Ohlins \|\| \|\| 18" Work W-ITS 901 \|\| 245/35/18 ContiSport3 \|\| Ecode \|\| Modded RS4 Bumper \|\| StaSIS Motorsport Alcon 6pot 355 \|\| WMS Stage III: 3.54 fats on Pump 3.25 fats on Race gas both runs were on pump file 3.06 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File 2.93 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File in 40f weather

10-10-2006, 10:21 AM	#4
PSmalls::AnalRetentiveNumbNut Member Account #: 112331 Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,690	And here with 0 CF almost across the board due to less timing advancement yet still choppy down low. Patrick had similar CFs to me, but choppy timing like the post I made above....best of both worlds :P

10-10-2006, 10:22 AM	#5
B5QShip AudiWorld Super User Account #: 78120 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,743	Is that run with no tweaks, just your normal ~93 oct settings w/ 100 oct in the tank? __________________

10-10-2006, 10:24 AM	#6
Ah10@WMS AudiWorld Super User Account #: 9327 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 7,630	It has tweaks, but what i meant is exact same tweak as if i was running pump gas __________________ WMS: 818-997-6500 ASP:856-772-9500 \|\| ASP Custom Tuned Stage 3 \|\| 710P \|\| Piggie DP \|\| ASP 89mm Truedual \|\| ASP TSB \|\| APR Boost Gauge \|\| RS4 Grille \|\| \|\| AWE Intercooler \|\| C M Stage 4, 6 puck & LWFW \|\| ASP Motor Mount \|\| RS4 Tranny Mount\|\| StaSIS Motorsport Ohlins \|\| \|\| 18" Work W-ITS 901 \|\| 245/35/18 ContiSport3 \|\| Ecode \|\| Modded RS4 Bumper \|\| StaSIS Motorsport Alcon 6pot 355 \|\| WMS Stage III: 3.54 fats on Pump 3.25 fats on Race gas both runs were on pump file 3.06 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File 2.93 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File in 40f weather

10-10-2006, 10:25 AM	#7
PSmalls::AnalRetentiveNumbNut Member Account #: 112331 Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,690	I talked to Moss about the overall timing bounce, suggested I go to tweaker file with X and XR. My only explanation could be that X just flat out freaks when it sees real solid mid/low range timing because it's not used to it. When I didn't add timing via Lemmi and ran the same X settings with race gas, these were the results: Lower mid/low range timing, but no crazy pullback which I guess resulted in good performance due to more timing under the curve?

10-10-2006, 10:26 AM	#8
BLK01S4::HB B!SH AudiWorld Super User Account #: 52597 Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,924	Heres my best guess and this is really a shot in the dark which further proves IAT has a direct relation to overalltiming angle. you are starting at 100F and staying around there. I see nothing in the raw data to explain why other then high IATS to start off with. __________________ Stage III Tip : ??? FATS (Race Gas) 3.43 Average Pump gas --------------- Fastest Tiptronic! ET: 12.259@118.25mph :) "Turbos are usually the cheapest/easiest way to add power - Posted by: Corrado79 on 2008-05-21 13:22:49 "Amazing that he could maintain a wedgie and talk out of his ass at the same time. That's one skill he CAN lay claim to. - Skydive@W?? 2007-12-18" --- "good I just added you to my " bitch " VIP list ." -Professional customer service - SIMPPLY@WMS 2007-12-17 --- "i tried the propane file on butane and it blew my ing grill up." - mjtaylor::pipedream 2007-08-23 14:21:46 --- "It takes a problem which we don't have and doesn't even solve it" - Mirror\|rorriM on 2006-09-26 --- "but yeah you want open loop when you go wot ;-)" - PiggieSmalls on 2006-11-10 --- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = !@$#!#!!@&%! ----

10-10-2006, 10:27 AM	#9
jwolf::ASP S3 Junior Member Account #: 75479 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,126	nice pull, i need to get ecuX. we have similar times but youre running less boost. __________________ ASP DPs w/ AWE Twin1 Exhaust Southbend Stg5 Feramic clutch AWE LWFW H&R Bilstein Samco EVO intake Neuspeed SS APR Snub RS4 MM RS4 Front Bumper and grille SSR Comps, Pilot cup sport:Track OZ SL Custom Paint, Nitto 555:Street 3.29 FATS on 100oct

10-10-2006, 10:27 AM	#10
BLK01S4::HB B!SH AudiWorld Super User Account #: 52597 Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,924	Also I'd pull the ecu and let it sit 30 mins w/o power and relog __________________ Stage III Tip : ??? FATS (Race Gas) 3.43 Average Pump gas --------------- Fastest Tiptronic! ET: 12.259@118.25mph :) "Turbos are usually the cheapest/easiest way to add power - Posted by: Corrado79 on 2008-05-21 13:22:49 "Amazing that he could maintain a wedgie and talk out of his ass at the same time. That's one skill he CAN lay claim to. - Skydive@W?? 2007-12-18" --- "good I just added you to my " bitch " VIP list ." -Professional customer service - SIMPPLY@WMS 2007-12-17 --- "i tried the propane file on butane and it blew my ing grill up." - mjtaylor::pipedream 2007-08-23 14:21:46 --- "It takes a problem which we don't have and doesn't even solve it" - Mirror\|rorriM on 2006-09-26 --- "but yeah you want open loop when you go wot ;-)" - PiggieSmalls on 2006-11-10 --- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = !@$#!#!!@&%! ----

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