Initial impressions: ASP Stage 3 Fueling (plane jane) on 91 craptane

Hogothorpe · 08-21-2006, 03:38 PM

First - many thanks to SAC-CA-S4 and Funkweasel for all the top quality work you have done on my car. You guys rock!

Overall, I'm pretty happy with it ...
Compared to my previous AMS stage 3- setup, the car is way faster (comparable to Sac's AWE Stage 3). Startup idle is rougher, but settles down after 7-10 seconds. Also, with AMS I had twitchy throttle response with 3/4 throttle being faster than WOT. With ASP, the response is much smoother and WOT is WOT. Also, the X-1 has really come alive - I never used to hear it at all, now it sounds like Darth Vader after a serious cardio workout.

The only bad thing is the car is still running lean with not so good timing even at +20% on the primary fuel. We might try 25% to see where that gets us. Anyway, Funk and Mark plan to discuss so we can work out a good game plan going forward. I'll make sure we share all the good info for those who care.

EE:OutofBounds · 08-21-2006, 04:05 PM

lowers your MAF readings. IIRC from what i've seen, ASP kit likes to see over 280 G's on the MAF reading...and more likely over 300g's. You are getting Nowhere near that with X1. I'm betting you see about 220-230 G's MAX? This happened while running X-1 on my AWE kit. I believe it is the connecting tubing, either being too straight or so for the MAF. Do you have any logs (FATs, Timing, Arflow, O2's, Etc.)?

DAP@EPL · 08-21-2006, 04:05 PM

The MAF readings are substantially different than they would be with an airbox so the tuning must account for that.

With AWE Stg 3 airbox code, adding +25% was just barely enough to keep the car from running lean at WOT. More would have been preferrable.

-Dave Pramanik

EE:OutofBounds · 08-21-2006, 04:10 PM

but the airflow is NOT hitting (being read) by the MAF sensor. A "flow straightener" will help imho.....bring MAF readings up, as will using a "smaller" connecting pipe to the MAF housing

FrozenS4 · 08-21-2006, 04:10 PM

any chart and table in the Motronic" and it is a complete open book to them. As a matter of fact, Mark responded to me personnally because he feels I am negativ. LOL, so how come you have to lemmie this gurus software and still no cigar ?

Funkweasel · 08-21-2006, 04:11 PM

Funkweasel · 08-21-2006, 04:12 PM

differences(oxygenates) between Cali and whatever the k04 was tuned on.

EE:OutofBounds · 08-21-2006, 04:15 PM

ASP fueling likes to see 300+ G's? If any ASP Stage 3 guys could chime in?

DAP@EPL · 08-21-2006, 04:15 PM

sj6sp · 08-21-2006, 04:16 PM

08-21-2006, 03:38 PM	#1
Hogothorpe Junior Member Account #: 22918 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	Initial impressions: ASP Stage 3 Fueling (plane jane) on 91 craptane First - many thanks to SAC-CA-S4 and Funkweasel for all the top quality work you have done on my car. You guys rock! Overall, I'm pretty happy with it ... Compared to my previous AMS stage 3- setup, the car is way faster (comparable to Sac's AWE Stage 3). Startup idle is rougher, but settles down after 7-10 seconds. Also, with AMS I had twitchy throttle response with 3/4 throttle being faster than WOT. With ASP, the response is much smoother and WOT is WOT. Also, the X-1 has really come alive - I never used to hear it at all, now it sounds like Darth Vader after a serious cardio workout. The only bad thing is the car is still running lean with not so good timing even at +20% on the primary fuel. We might try 25% to see where that gets us. Anyway, Funk and Mark plan to discuss so we can work out a good game plan going forward. I'll make sure we share all the good info for those who care. __________________ 2001.5 Santorin S4 Sedan 6-Spd ---------------------------------------- ASP Stage 3, K04s, X-1 Intake(benched for now), JP Eng. DPs, AWE Twin2, AWE I/Cs, RS4 O/C, South Bend OFE Clutch, BiPipe, DBA Rotors, PBR Ceramic Pads, Vogtland Coilovers, H-Sport Sway Bars, other goodies.

08-21-2006, 04:05 PM	#2
EE:OutofBounds Elder Member Account #: 23890 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,300	ill say it now.....its the X-1 racer intake setup............ lowers your MAF readings. IIRC from what i've seen, ASP kit likes to see over 280 G's on the MAF reading...and more likely over 300g's. You are getting Nowhere near that with X1. I'm betting you see about 220-230 G's MAX? This happened while running X-1 on my AWE kit. I believe it is the connecting tubing, either being too straight or so for the MAF. Do you have any logs (FATs, Timing, Arflow, O2's, Etc.)? __________________ Out of Bounds Rideshop (908) 232-4500 (Nike SB, Supra, Diamond, Krew, Burton, Rome, Grenade, etc) Out of Bounds MySpace

08-21-2006, 04:05 PM	#3
DAP@EPL Audiworld Sponsor Account #: 6924 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 19,701	FWIW, the X-1 intake does require significant fueling changes. The MAF readings are substantially different than they would be with an airbox so the tuning must account for that. With AWE Stg 3 airbox code, adding +25% was just barely enough to keep the car from running lean at WOT. More would have been preferrable. -Dave Pramanik __________________

08-21-2006, 04:10 PM	#4
EE:OutofBounds Elder Member Account #: 23890 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,300	we (Ah10 and I) believe that the Turbos are sucking the same amount of air.......... but the airflow is NOT hitting (being read) by the MAF sensor. A "flow straightener" will help imho.....bring MAF readings up, as will using a "smaller" connecting pipe to the MAF housing __________________ Out of Bounds Rideshop (908) 232-4500 (Nike SB, Supra, Diamond, Krew, Burton, Rome, Grenade, etc) Out of Bounds MySpace

08-21-2006, 04:10 PM	#5
FrozenS4 Junior Member Account #: 85329 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 587	I don't understand, ASP claimed that they have "full control of any chart and table in the Motronic" and it is a complete open book to them. As a matter of fact, Mark responded to me personnally because he feels I am negativ. LOL, so how come you have to lemmie this gurus software and still no cigar ?

08-21-2006, 04:11 PM	#6
Funkweasel AudiWorld Super User Account #: 28517 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,145	Nope. He reads about 270g/s.

08-21-2006, 04:12 PM	#7
Funkweasel AudiWorld Super User Account #: 28517 Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 10,145	I'm not sure its the case here. The g/s are fairly high, so I'm thinking its the fuel differences(oxygenates) between Cali and whatever the k04 was tuned on.

08-21-2006, 04:15 PM	#8
EE:OutofBounds Elder Member Account #: 23890 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,300	270 g's is pretty good....but still lower than ASP software would like to see is my guess...... ASP fueling likes to see 300+ G's? If any ASP Stage 3 guys could chime in? __________________ Out of Bounds Rideshop (908) 232-4500 (Nike SB, Supra, Diamond, Krew, Burton, Rome, Grenade, etc) Out of Bounds MySpace

08-21-2006, 04:15 PM	#9
DAP@EPL Audiworld Sponsor Account #: 6924 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 19,701	Gotcha. I just saw how AWE airbox code behaved with the X-1 and thought it might be similar. __________________

08-21-2006, 04:16 PM	#10
sj6sp Member Account #: 31992 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,908	Log using stock airbox and ASP MAF housing for comparison more in my pic poster __________________ <A HREF="http://www.marsavius.net/qclub" target="_blank"> </a>

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