Continuing with the chatter about the EPL Dyno and numbers.....450-500 whp on K04's is a PIPE DREAM

EE:OutofBounds · 05-16-2006, 10:53 AM

i'm glad everyone came away happy with their numbers. I hear some were "Ecstatic" about the numbers they put down. Thats fine and dandy...and sure, you now have comparitive numbers on the same Dyno. But let put these pompous ass numbers to rest. We know the EPL Dyno is a very happy and generous dyno. We know that a K04 equipped car is not going to produce much more than about 430 whp since the exhaust side is the limiting factor(perhaps 450ish with those dumps/open exhausts).

I agree Hybrids (K04/RS6 will make more) but we're not talking about those cars. Mainly the Plain Jane K04 cars. Now we KNOW the Dahlback Racing Stage 3 car is not making 434 awhp in real life, just as the AWE 439 WHP is fairly inaccurate as well. Inaccurate as in overly optimistic. Because if these cars really were making 430ish ahwp...that should EASILY put them in the 3.0 or lower FATs range. I'll bet that these cars couldn't do lo 3's let alone sub EVEN on a downhill!! LOL MarkP did 3.3x FATs runs with his 469 awhp with open dumps!!

The numbers don't correlate...but we already knew that. So, this post is just for clarification, especially for some noobs who might take these numbers as hard. I'm sure i have missed some other points that i'd like to make/share...but whatever.

DAP@EPL · 05-16-2006, 10:58 AM

I'm trying to set something up now.

-Dave Pramanik

S4Poor/deux@Curbside · 05-16-2006, 10:59 AM

Ah10@WMS · 05-16-2006, 11:00 AM

Audeye A6 · 05-16-2006, 11:00 AM

ErikS4 · 05-16-2006, 11:00 AM

by AWE's 1.28 correction factor I'd end up with 561 crank hp. If I used APR's 1.32 correction factor, I'd have 579. I think everyone would agree that my engine would not read anything like that on an engine dyno.

Both "crank" numbers are much higher than the tuners claim and we all know the tuners will claim the highest they can get away with (within reason) to sell kits. Right?

What we do have is a good apples to apples comparison from that day at EPL.

S4Poor/deux@Curbside · 05-16-2006, 11:00 AM

Snow Trooper *Swiss* · 05-16-2006, 11:00 AM

Mark P · 05-16-2006, 11:01 AM

They're not going to always correlate. Expecting them to suggests a basic misunderstanding.

~~ModifiedA4~~ · 05-16-2006, 11:02 AM

05-16-2006, 10:53 AM	#1
EE:OutofBounds Elder Member Account #: 23890 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,300	Continuing with the chatter about the EPL Dyno and numbers.....450-500 whp on K04's is a PIPE DREAM i'm glad everyone came away happy with their numbers. I hear some were "Ecstatic" about the numbers they put down. Thats fine and dandy...and sure, you now have comparitive numbers on the same Dyno. But let put these pompous ass numbers to rest. We know the EPL Dyno is a very happy and generous dyno. We know that a K04 equipped car is not going to produce much more than about 430 whp since the exhaust side is the limiting factor(perhaps 450ish with those dumps/open exhausts). I agree Hybrids (K04/RS6 will make more) but we're not talking about those cars. Mainly the Plain Jane K04 cars. Now we KNOW the Dahlback Racing Stage 3 car is not making 434 awhp in real life, just as the AWE 439 WHP is fairly inaccurate as well. Inaccurate as in overly optimistic. Because if these cars really were making 430ish ahwp...that should EASILY put them in the 3.0 or lower FATs range. I'll bet that these cars couldn't do lo 3's let alone sub EVEN on a downhill!! LOL MarkP did 3.3x FATs runs with his 469 awhp with open dumps!! The numbers don't correlate...but we already knew that. So, this post is just for clarification, especially for some noobs who might take these numbers as hard. I'm sure i have missed some other points that i'd like to make/share...but whatever. __________________ Out of Bounds Rideshop (908) 232-4500 (Nike SB, Supra, Diamond, Krew, Burton, Rome, Grenade, etc) Out of Bounds MySpace

05-16-2006, 10:58 AM	#2
DAP@EPL Audiworld Sponsor Account #: 6924 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 19,701	If I can make over 450whp on a different dyno, will it end the debate? I'm trying to set something up now. -Dave Pramanik __________________

05-16-2006, 10:59 AM	#3
S4Poor/deux@Curbside Senior Member Account #: 108305 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,131	Good read. So what you're saying is my Stage 2 MTM Tip has only 407whp Right?

05-16-2006, 11:00 AM	#4
Ah10@WMS AudiWorld Super User Account #: 9327 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 7,630	Ah10 was here! __________________ WMS: 818-997-6500 ASP:856-772-9500 \|\| ASP Custom Tuned Stage 3 \|\| 710P \|\| Piggie DP \|\| ASP 89mm Truedual \|\| ASP TSB \|\| APR Boost Gauge \|\| RS4 Grille \|\| \|\| AWE Intercooler \|\| C M Stage 4, 6 puck & LWFW \|\| ASP Motor Mount \|\| RS4 Tranny Mount\|\| StaSIS Motorsport Ohlins \|\| \|\| 18" Work W-ITS 901 \|\| 245/35/18 ContiSport3 \|\| Ecode \|\| Modded RS4 Bumper \|\| StaSIS Motorsport Alcon 6pot 355 \|\| WMS Stage III: 3.54 fats on Pump 3.25 fats on Race gas both runs were on pump file 3.06 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File 2.93 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File in 40f weather

05-16-2006, 11:00 AM	#5
Audeye A6 AudiWorld Super User Account #: 67177 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,246	I love this stuff! Sadly, I don't know enough to contribute or refute. It sounds interesting though. __________________ 2001 2.7T / 6spd / Cold Weather Pkg. / Premium Pkg. EPL Custom Tuned Stage III / 93 Oct Bilstein-HD / B&G Sport Coils / H-Sports KO4/997 Hybrids, EV14 Inj, ASP MAF Vast Kevlar Clutch,RS4 PP & Throwout bearing Autospeed Trans. stabilizer bar AWE/McNeil Downpipes/graphite rapped AWE/McNeil Intercoolers APR exhaust/snub mount Port/Polished/Ceramic coat exh. mani's JHM short shifter Hardwired/stealth V1

05-16-2006, 11:00 AM	#6
ErikS4 Junior Member Account #: 79316 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,264	I must say I agree. Not bashing anything or anyone, but if I were to multiply my 439 whp by AWE's 1.28 correction factor I'd end up with 561 crank hp. If I used APR's 1.32 correction factor, I'd have 579. I think everyone would agree that my engine would not read anything like that on an engine dyno. Both "crank" numbers are much higher than the tuners claim and we all know the tuners will claim the highest they can get away with (within reason) to sell kits. Right? What we do have is a good apples to apples comparison from that day at EPL.

05-16-2006, 11:00 AM	#7
S4Poor/deux@Curbside Senior Member Account #: 108305 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,131	If you can't find anything my butt dyno never fails me :p

05-16-2006, 11:00 AM	#8
Snow Trooper Swiss Senior Member Account #: 108321 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,021	i cant wait to put plain janes back in and really make some people eat their words

05-16-2006, 11:01 AM	#9
Mark P AudiWorld Expert Account #: 139 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 27,942	*a peak* dyno number at a single RPM is completely separate from a 4200-6500 pull They're not going to always correlate. Expecting them to suggests a basic misunderstanding. __________________ Mark P Current: '04 Porsche 911 Turbo, Speed Yellow - website - 26k miles '02 Audi S4 Avant, Imola Yellow, APR Stg3 - website - 191k miles '01.5 VW Golf 4dr 1.8T, Satin Silver, GT28R - website - 203k miles** '09 VW Tiguan 2.0T, Candy White - Hers Previous: '00 Audi A4 1.8T, Silver - Quattrobonium website

05-16-2006, 11:02 AM	#10
~~ModifiedA4~~ Banned Account #: 143 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 34,564	ROFL!

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