Do I need new Pads and Rotors or do I need to go BBK?

EdyJun · 03-03-2006, 12:25 PM

I drive fast and take some nice corners with some speed when I go canyon driving. 10-30 min into the drive I can feel the brakes fade. It is to a point that I MUST slow down and let the system cool off a bit before I get on it again. I do this 1-2 times every 2 months.

I fade the stock brakes when I do some spirited canyon driving and so brake upgrade is something I am considering. I can't decide if I will be ok with better pads (PBR/Axxis Metal Master) and new rotors (DBA) or should I fork over the money and go BBK?

Some info:
As of now I need new pads and maybe rotors. I am planning on doing some track runs (1-2 a year) eventually.

Edy

'Nova more S4 · 03-03-2006, 12:28 PM

it would solve that problem too, is overkill IMHO given your situation. I'd wait until you've done some track time before making the switch.

Oo.et.oO · 03-03-2006, 12:30 PM

ryans4 · 03-03-2006, 12:30 PM

...don't waste money on nice OEM-size rotors, just run the cheap crap and replace as needed.

Spend the money on good pads, and do a good full fluid flush.

Skip the SS lines.

DeutschDriver · 03-03-2006, 12:33 PM

why? consumable costs.

high end (read: trackable) pads for the HP2 caliper are quite expensive. so are OE rotors. the cost of consumables for a quality BBK (stoptech or like) can be quite substantial after a while. and on top of this a good BBK will deliver better results anyhow, and all the sudden a BBK starts to make more and more sense.

'Nova more S4 · 03-03-2006, 12:37 PM

much you can fork out now, etc. etc. Of course long term a BBK is a better choice, but not everyone has 2k sitting around for one.

Ah10@WMS · 03-03-2006, 02:45 PM

EdyJun · 03-03-2006, 09:21 PM

EuroDriver · 03-04-2006, 01:43 AM

I'm not very happy with my OEM Pagid's on Zimmerman Rotors

ryans4 · 03-05-2006, 03:04 PM

...For full blown track, I think you can get a Pagid Black (RS14). Rear's you have lots of options, I run Ferodo DS2500.

I think you can get a Pagid 4-4 Orange for the front, that'd be a good pad.

03-03-2006, 12:25 PM	#1
EdyJun Member Account #: 48484 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,849	Do I need new Pads and Rotors or do I need to go BBK? I drive fast and take some nice corners with some speed when I go canyon driving. 10-30 min into the drive I can feel the brakes fade. It is to a point that I MUST slow down and let the system cool off a bit before I get on it again. I do this 1-2 times every 2 months. I fade the stock brakes when I do some spirited canyon driving and so brake upgrade is something I am considering. I can't decide if I will be ok with better pads (PBR/Axxis Metal Master) and new rotors (DBA) or should I fork over the money and go BBK? Some info: As of now I need new pads and maybe rotors. I am planning on doing some track runs (1-2 a year) eventually. Edy __________________ 2000 Audi S4 STG 3 FATS = 3.66 w/ 91 oct AIM: EdyJun 11 September 2001 In their honor. In their memory. <font color="red">---------------------------------------------------------- <u><big> <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/edyjun1/S4/index.htm">EdyJun's S4 Directory (FAQ, DIY, Info, Tips and Help) </a> </big> </u>---------------------------------------------------------- </font>

03-03-2006, 12:28 PM	#2
'Nova more S4 Member Account #: 47523 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,181	ECS 2 piece w/ better pads (HP+ etc..) would suffice. A BBK although it would solve that problem too, is overkill IMHO given your situation. I'd wait until you've done some track time before making the switch. __________________ http://www.acna-nj.org

03-03-2006, 12:30 PM	#3
Oo.et.oO Member Account #: 65580 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,879	that's basically the same price. ECS rotors are stoopid $$$ __________________ For Sale: B5 A4/S4 avant boot/trunk rubber mat Gone but not forgotten: 2001 Brilliant Black S4 Avant 6spd. c'mon AoA, where is the B8 3.0 TDi?

03-03-2006, 12:30 PM	#4
ryans4 Senior Member Account #: 4359 Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 7,314	if you're not tracking the car, just run slotted stock rotors and nice pads/fluid... ...don't waste money on nice OEM-size rotors, just run the cheap crap and replace as needed. Spend the money on good pads, and do a good full fluid flush. Skip the SS lines. __________________

03-03-2006, 12:33 PM	#5
DeutschDriver Senior Member Account #: 75570 Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,155	pads will take you a long way, but in the loonnng run a bbk is a better solution why? consumable costs. high end (read: trackable) pads for the HP2 caliper are quite expensive. so are OE rotors. the cost of consumables for a quality BBK (stoptech or like) can be quite substantial after a while. and on top of this a good BBK will deliver better results anyhow, and all the sudden a BBK starts to make more and more sense. __________________ 2001 S4 Avant Silver / Onyx 6 Speed, Premium, Bose, Cold Totally stock for now... ;-) <rollseyes> Crappy day? Read this. What every n00b should know.

03-03-2006, 12:37 PM	#6
'Nova more S4 Member Account #: 47523 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,181	well it depends on whether you buy everything used or not, if you have limits on how much you can fork out now, etc. etc. Of course long term a BBK is a better choice, but not everyone has 2k sitting around for one. __________________ http://www.acna-nj.org

03-03-2006, 02:45 PM	#7
Ah10@WMS AudiWorld Super User Account #: 9327 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 7,630	Listen to ^^^^^^^ that man^^^^^^^^^^ when it comes to susp and brakes __________________ WMS: 818-997-6500 ASP:856-772-9500 \|\| ASP Custom Tuned Stage 3 \|\| 710P \|\| Piggie DP \|\| ASP 89mm Truedual \|\| ASP TSB \|\| APR Boost Gauge \|\| RS4 Grille \|\| \|\| AWE Intercooler \|\| C M Stage 4, 6 puck & LWFW \|\| ASP Motor Mount \|\| RS4 Tranny Mount\|\| StaSIS Motorsport Ohlins \|\| \|\| 18" Work W-ITS 901 \|\| 245/35/18 ContiSport3 \|\| Ecode \|\| Modded RS4 Bumper \|\| StaSIS Motorsport Alcon 6pot 355 \|\| WMS Stage III: 3.54 fats on Pump 3.25 fats on Race gas both runs were on pump file 3.06 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File 2.93 on East Coast Pump Gas/Race File in 40f weather

03-03-2006, 09:21 PM	#8
EdyJun Member Account #: 48484 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,849	Thank you all... __________________ 2000 Audi S4 STG 3 FATS = 3.66 w/ 91 oct AIM: EdyJun 11 September 2001 In their honor. In their memory. <font color="red">---------------------------------------------------------- <u><big> <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/edyjun1/S4/index.htm">EdyJun's S4 Directory (FAQ, DIY, Info, Tips and Help) </a> </big> </u>---------------------------------------------------------- </font>

03-04-2006, 01:43 AM	#9
EuroDriver Junior Member Account #: 24943 Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 518	Suggestions for Nice Pads ? I'm not very happy with my OEM Pagid's on Zimmerman Rotors

03-05-2006, 03:04 PM	#10
ryans4 Senior Member Account #: 4359 Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 7,314	i have no first hand experience, but the Carbotech's that Pure Motorsport sells seem to be ok... ...For full blown track, I think you can get a Pagid Black (RS14). Rear's you have lots of options, I run Ferodo DS2500. I think you can get a Pagid 4-4 Orange for the front, that'd be a good pad. __________________

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