Initial impression APR vs MTM stage 2 a-box.

Godfather | Jay · 01-23-2006, 10:25 AM

I put my a-box APR (v5, 93 octane) ECU in my car this weekend after driving with MTM for several weeks. Part of my motivation is the valet option to be used next week when the windows get tinted....

Anyway, doing similar runs with the gf in the car, we concluded that MTM "felt" faster, though I was less sure than she was. The throttle with MTM seems to be more sensitive than APR - by that I mean you have to be somewhat more delicate if you don't want too much power. This is not bad for either, just an observation. MTM may just fit me better since I don't take it to red line very often. I will do some logging Friday or Saturday when the weather warms to similar conditions as when I tested the MTM. I will do FATS, but am actually more interested in comparing runs within lower RPMs.

Obviously, this is nothing new and fits in with others' impressions, but I thought I would share. We'll see what the numbers say. That is all...

/\/\ightar · 01-23-2006, 11:14 AM

"sensitive" to the throttle vs. APR 5.0. I can't vouch for 93 oct programming, but FWIW I felt that my Sportec programming was more smooth than APR 5.0 on 91 craptane. Of course the consensus here is that smooth=weaksauce.

What version of MTM are you running?

Godfather | Jay · 01-23-2006, 11:41 AM

smoother and MTM somewhat more twitchy... however, MTM is still smooth in that it doesn't jump around... both on Sunoco 94... I'll be interested to see the comparison on the same car in similiar weather and with the same gas...

EdyJun · 01-23-2006, 03:26 PM

Hibiscus Red S4 · 01-23-2006, 08:23 PM

But AMS is king! For combo of torque/smoothness/power (although x has more power)

Godfather | Jay · 01-24-2006, 06:04 AM

placed on eBay almost right after I said I would buy it... I was not happy! I will keep trying to find one as I've heard AMS is solid. You've been through all 3, so you would know!

Godfather | Jay · 01-24-2006, 06:18 AM

Hibiscus Red S4 · 01-24-2006, 09:22 AM

AMS and MTM are both very good in my book with APR in a distant third.

Hibiscus Red S4 · 01-24-2006, 09:22 AM

Haven't had a chance to log AMS yet, but will get around to it in time.

Godfather | Jay · 01-27-2006, 06:57 AM

APR produced faster FATS, which didn't surprise me, but when actually comparing the numbers it was pretty much faster everywhere - even the lower RPMs... The temps were a tad lower, though, so I won't post until conditions are equitable and I log again... when I do that, I'll post a new thread and link from this one...

01-23-2006, 10:25 AM	#1
Godfather \| Jay AudiWorld Super User Account #: 99226 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,267	Initial impression APR vs MTM stage 2 a-box. I put my a-box APR (v5, 93 octane) ECU in my car this weekend after driving with MTM for several weeks. Part of my motivation is the valet option to be used next week when the windows get tinted.... Anyway, doing similar runs with the gf in the car, we concluded that MTM "felt" faster, though I was less sure than she was. The throttle with MTM seems to be more sensitive than APR - by that I mean you have to be somewhat more delicate if you don't want too much power. This is not bad for either, just an observation. MTM may just fit me better since I don't take it to red line very often. I will do some logging Friday or Saturday when the weather warms to similar conditions as when I tested the MTM. I will do FATS, but am actually more interested in comparing runs within lower RPMs. Obviously, this is nothing new and fits in with others' impressions, but I thought I would share. We'll see what the numbers say. That is all... __________________ F#% the new format and jacked up, truncated archives. Go to quattr0w0rld... "Sleeper" - a B5 S4 Tribute* "Stages: A Mod Addiction" Piano Black Beltline Trim Install * Clear corner DIY tips ER IC install pics/notes * DIY camera mount My stage 3+ mod list * More vids: 0-60, drag strip, etc

01-23-2006, 11:14 AM	#2
/\/\ightar Member Account #: 84528 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,333	Your statement seems to imply that APR is smoother since MTM is more "sensitive" to the throttle vs. APR 5.0. I can't vouch for 93 oct programming, but FWIW I felt that my Sportec programming was more smooth than APR 5.0 on 91 craptane. Of course the consensus here is that smooth=weaksauce. What version of MTM are you running? __________________ ---------------------- Sportec Stage II B5 S4 ----------------------
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01-23-2006, 11:41 AM	#3
Godfather \| Jay AudiWorld Super User Account #: 99226 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,267	MTM v2.0 - yes, my definition of smooth would make APR smoother and MTM somewhat more twitchy... however, MTM is still smooth in that it doesn't jump around... both on Sunoco 94... I'll be interested to see the comparison on the same car in similiar weather and with the same gas... __________________ F#% the new format and jacked up, truncated archives. Go to quattr0w0rld... "Sleeper" - a B5 S4 Tribute* "Stages: A Mod Addiction" Piano Black Beltline Trim Install * Clear corner DIY tips ER IC install pics/notes * DIY camera mount My stage 3+ mod list * More vids: 0-60, drag strip, etc

01-23-2006, 03:26 PM	#4
EdyJun Member Account #: 48484 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,849	<tracking> __________________ 2000 Audi S4 STG 3 FATS = 3.66 w/ 91 oct AIM: EdyJun 11 September 2001 In their honor. In their memory. <font color="red">---------------------------------------------------------- <u><big> <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/edyjun1/S4/index.htm">EdyJun's S4 Directory (FAQ, DIY, Info, Tips and Help) </a> </big> </u>---------------------------------------------------------- </font>

01-23-2006, 08:23 PM	#5
Hibiscus Red S4 Member Account #: 57154 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 4,646	MTM > APR But AMS is king! For combo of torque/smoothness/power (although x has more power) __________________ Registry Logbook

01-24-2006, 06:04 AM	#6
Godfather \| Jay AudiWorld Super User Account #: 99226 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,267	I tried buying AMS from the classifieds, but it was placed on eBay almost right after I said I would buy it... I was not happy! I will keep trying to find one as I've heard AMS is solid. You've been through all 3, so you would know! __________________ F#% the new format and jacked up, truncated archives. Go to quattr0w0rld... "Sleeper" - a B5 S4 Tribute* "Stages: A Mod Addiction" Piano Black Beltline Trim Install * Clear corner DIY tips ER IC install pics/notes * DIY camera mount My stage 3+ mod list * More vids: 0-60, drag strip, etc

01-24-2006, 06:18 AM	#7
Godfather \| Jay AudiWorld Super User Account #: 99226 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,267	Did you log any comparisons? __________________ F#% the new format and jacked up, truncated archives. Go to quattr0w0rld... "Sleeper" - a B5 S4 Tribute* "Stages: A Mod Addiction" Piano Black Beltline Trim Install * Clear corner DIY tips ER IC install pics/notes * DIY camera mount My stage 3+ mod list * More vids: 0-60, drag strip, etc

01-24-2006, 09:22 AM	#8
Hibiscus Red S4 Member Account #: 57154 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 4,646	Yeah, I've used all 3 for thousands of miles each AMS and MTM are both very good in my book with APR in a distant third. __________________ Registry Logbook

01-24-2006, 09:22 AM	#9
Hibiscus Red S4 Member Account #: 57154 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 4,646	I have logs of MTM and APR Haven't had a chance to log AMS yet, but will get around to it in time. __________________ Registry Logbook

01-27-2006, 06:57 AM	#10
Godfather \| Jay AudiWorld Super User Account #: 99226 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,267	Wow... for the record, I logged a couple days ago... APR produced faster FATS, which didn't surprise me, but when actually comparing the numbers it was pretty much faster everywhere - even the lower RPMs... The temps were a tad lower, though, so I won't post until conditions are equitable and I log again... when I do that, I'll post a new thread and link from this one... __________________ F#% the new format and jacked up, truncated archives. Go to quattr0w0rld... "Sleeper" - a B5 S4 Tribute* "Stages: A Mod Addiction" Piano Black Beltline Trim Install * Clear corner DIY tips ER IC install pics/notes * DIY camera mount My stage 3+ mod list * More vids: 0-60, drag strip, etc

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