Question A: Which gaskets should I replace when swapping heads...

Mark P · 12-19-2005, 10:45 AM

Which one, or both of these gaskets do I need if I am going to replace a head?

#17 - 078103383K
#18 - 078198025 (2 pieces)

Mark P · 12-19-2005, 10:48 AM

#9 or #11? I can't distinguish which each is. As you can see #9 says that there is a qty=16 and M11, which makes sense for the head bolts. #11 says qty=56 and M6, which I think is smaller and too many. If so, what are #11?

magilla70 · 12-19-2005, 10:50 AM

17 it the head gasket, 18 is the valve cover gasket. Plus you will need intake manifold gaskets, a new o-ring for the coolant pipe on the back of the head. A new exhaust manifold gasket, manifold to turbo seal ring, manifold locknuts and possibly studs.

magilla70 · 12-19-2005, 10:52 AM

#11 are the bolts for the cam caps.

BLK01S4::HB B!SH · 12-19-2005, 10:55 AM

Mike2kS4 · 12-19-2005, 11:15 AM

But if it's dirt cheap, why not?

Oo.et.oO · 12-19-2005, 11:15 AM

Mark P · 12-19-2005, 11:58 AM

ring if I don't separate the turbo from the manifold, right? Or do I need to in order to get to some of the manifold nuts?

Here's my current parts list, after adding some of the items you mentioned....

My plan is to:
pull the engine in my garage
replace the head with another
replace the o-ring on my coolant pump (if it's more than just that, I can fix in the future instead)
swap in a new clutch disc

Parts needed...

For the head swap:
Head (Jim or Andy)
Head Bolt Tool (Chris has one)
Head Bolts (078103385K) Qty=8
- Impex $6.11
- 1stVWparts $4.76
Head Gasket (078103383K)
- Impex $39.05
- 1st $30.39
Valve cover gasket: (078198025)
- Impex $30 or $46
- 1st $35.81
Exhaust Manifold Nuts: (N90226403) Qty=9
- 1st $0.68
Exhaust Manifold Gasket: (078253039G)
- 1st $4.96
Intake Manifold Gasket: (078129717N)
- 1st $3.76
throttle body gasket?: (078133073J)
- 1st $2.72
CV grease? (Mobil 1 suggested - PepBoys carries it)
CV gaskets? (8D0407309A) Qty=2
- Impex $3.44
- 1st $2.68
Drive shaft gasket? (183521141A)
- Impex $13.80 (wront part???)
- 1st $10.75

Before I can drive the car: (ie not needed for engine pull/replace)
Coolant (Xmas list)
New spark plugs (Xmas list)
New coilpack (have already)
New coilpack extension piece (058905447C)
- Impex $21.52
- 1st $13.40
Gasket? (058905261A)
- Impex $1.71
- 1st $1.26
For the coolant pump:
Just an o-ring? (ID=1.690" and 0.075 THK)
FYI: Pump is 078965561

For the clutch disc swap:
Pressure plate bolts (I have new ones)
I plan to reuse the half shaft and prop shaft bolts as I put new ones in the last time I pulled the tranny.

General:
Engine Hoist (bought it)
Load Leveling bar (bought it)

Ok, what else?

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2194086.phtml

~~Mark@AutoSpeed~~ · 12-19-2005, 12:03 PM

davenew · 12-19-2005, 01:57 PM

12-19-2005, 10:48 AM	#2
Mark P AudiWorld Expert Account #: 139 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 27,947	Question B: Which bolts are the "head bolts" that I should replace when replacing a head.... #9 or #11? I can't distinguish which each is. As you can see #9 says that there is a qty=16 and M11, which makes sense for the head bolts. #11 says qty=56 and M6, which I think is smaller and too many. If so, what are #11? __________________ Mark P Current: '04 Porsche 911 Turbo, Speed Yellow - website - 26k miles '01.5 VW Golf 4dr 1.8T, Satin Silver, GT28R - website - 203k miles '09 VW Tiguan 2.0T, Candy White - Hers Previous: '02 Audi S4 Avant, Imola Yellow, APR Stg3 - website - 191k miles '00 Audi A4 1.8T, Silver - Quattrobonium website

12-19-2005, 10:50 AM	#3
magilla70 AudiWorld Member Account #: 66230 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 434	you need both..... 17 it the head gasket, 18 is the valve cover gasket. Plus you will need intake manifold gaskets, a new o-ring for the coolant pipe on the back of the head. A new exhaust manifold gasket, manifold to turbo seal ring, manifold locknuts and possibly studs. __________________ TRACK ADDICT!! 2000 S4 GIAC X Stoptech 332 kit 710n's AWE S-flo eibach/bilstein h-sports piggies/borla ASP DTS OZ SL's 2005 allroad factory RNS-E factory XM radio really expensive mudflaps! factory trailer hitch!!!

12-19-2005, 10:52 AM	#4
magilla70 AudiWorld Member Account #: 66230 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 434	head bolts are #9, you need 8 per head. #11 are the bolts for the cam caps. __________________ TRACK ADDICT!! 2000 S4 GIAC X Stoptech 332 kit 710n's AWE S-flo eibach/bilstein h-sports piggies/borla ASP DTS OZ SL's 2005 allroad factory RNS-E factory XM radio really expensive mudflaps! factory trailer hitch!!!

12-19-2005, 10:55 AM	#5
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12-19-2005, 11:15 AM	#6
Mike2kS4 Elder Member Account #: 38083 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,105	I don't think you need that O-ring. I've reused it with no issues. But if it's dirt cheap, why not? __________________ 2002 S4 Avant, 6spd. Bone stock. <a href="http://www.autospeed.us"> </a> Caveat: Any advice I express regarding potential tuning and such is purely informational. If your knowledge and abilities are not up to the task, no amount of advice can assist.

12-19-2005, 10:45 AM	#1
Mark P AudiWorld Expert Account #: 139 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 27,947	Question A: Which gaskets should I replace when swapping heads... Which one, or both of these gaskets do I need if I am going to replace a head? #17 - 078103383K #18 - 078198025 (2 pieces) __________________ Mark P Current: '04 Porsche 911 Turbo, Speed Yellow - website - 26k miles '01.5 VW Golf 4dr 1.8T, Satin Silver, GT28R - website - 203k miles '09 VW Tiguan 2.0T, Candy White - Hers Previous: '02 Audi S4 Avant, Imola Yellow, APR Stg3 - website - 191k miles '00 Audi A4 1.8T, Silver - Quattrobonium website

12-19-2005, 11:15 AM	#7
Oo.et.oO Member Account #: 65580 Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,879	ebay. fixed resolution. REALLY annoying. __________________ For Sale: B5 A4/S4 avant boot/trunk rubber mat Gone but not forgotten: 2001 Brilliant Black S4 Avant 6spd. c'mon AoA, where is the B8 3.0 TDi?

12-19-2005, 11:58 AM	#8
Mark P AudiWorld Expert Account #: 139 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 27,947	Thanks - geeze, the parts list is adding up.... I assume I don't need the manifold-to-turbo seal ring if I don't separate the turbo from the manifold, right? Or do I need to in order to get to some of the manifold nuts? Here's my current parts list, after adding some of the items you mentioned.... My plan is to: pull the engine in my garage replace the head with another replace the o-ring on my coolant pump (if it's more than just that, I can fix in the future instead) swap in a new clutch disc Parts needed... For the head swap: Head (Jim or Andy) Head Bolt Tool (Chris has one) Head Bolts (078103385K) Qty=8 - Impex $6.11 - 1stVWparts $4.76 Head Gasket (078103383K) - Impex $39.05 - 1st $30.39 Valve cover gasket: (078198025) - Impex $30 or $46 - 1st $35.81 Exhaust Manifold Nuts: (N90226403) Qty=9 - 1st $0.68 Exhaust Manifold Gasket: (078253039G) - 1st $4.96 Intake Manifold Gasket: (078129717N) - 1st $3.76 throttle body gasket?: (078133073J) - 1st $2.72 CV grease? (Mobil 1 suggested - PepBoys carries it) CV gaskets? (8D0407309A) Qty=2 - Impex $3.44 - 1st $2.68 Drive shaft gasket? (183521141A) - Impex $13.80 (wront part???) - 1st $10.75 Before I can drive the car: (ie not needed for engine pull/replace) Coolant (Xmas list) New spark plugs (Xmas list) New coilpack (have already) New coilpack extension piece (058905447C) - Impex $21.52 - 1st $13.40 Gasket? (058905261A) - Impex $1.71 - 1st $1.26 For the coolant pump: Just an o-ring? (ID=1.690" and 0.075 THK) FYI: Pump is 078965561 For the clutch disc swap: Pressure plate bolts (I have new ones) I plan to reuse the half shaft and prop shaft bolts as I put new ones in the last time I pulled the tranny. General: Engine Hoist (bought it) Load Leveling bar (bought it) Ok, what else? http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2194086.phtml __________________ Mark P Current: '04 Porsche 911 Turbo, Speed Yellow - website - 26k miles '01.5 VW Golf 4dr 1.8T, Satin Silver, GT28R - website - 203k miles '09 VW Tiguan 2.0T, Candy White - Hers Previous: '02 Audi S4 Avant, Imola Yellow, APR Stg3 - website - 191k miles '00 Audi A4 1.8T, Silver - Quattrobonium website

12-19-2005, 12:03 PM	#9
~~Mark@AutoSpeed~~ Banned Account #: 93546 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,745	Also cam tensioner gasket if they are out.

12-19-2005, 01:57 PM	#10
davenew AudiWorld Super User Account #: 70028 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 7,831	cam plugs? I just replaced my pass. side and it was easy __________________ '00 S4 EPL Stg 3 (March'04-May'08) '08 BMW 135i Dinan Stg 2 (May'08-Present) '00 S4 Imola widebody AWE Stg 3 (Bought Nov'08. AWE stg 3 kit is sold.. I'm switching over to ASP GT soon)

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