My ongoing quest to solve the time issues between B5 clusters & the RNS-E (calling EU S4 owners)

bnl107 · 12-14-2005, 05:58 PM

In a nutshell: there is a problem in the communication between B5 S4 gauge clusters and the RNS-E navigation units (newer clusters transmit the data differently; with a B5 cluster the RNS-E ETA times are off). This is the ONLY compatibility issue not solved at this point, and I am on a frickin' mission here to solve it!

Here is my question:

Are there any 1999 S4 owners on here (EU of course)? If so, you have an analog clock in your display, correct? I've seen some in passing on Ebay.de before, and never gave them much thought until now. If so, could you possibly use your VAG-COM (hopefully I can find a 1999 S4 owner in the EU with a VAG-COM...lol), and record all of the coding info for me? My thought is, as it has been, that there is some VAG-COM adaptation setting in the cluster which will disable the clock data from being transmitted. It has already been determined that when the clock signal is not present (e.g., when the cluster is not connected to the RNS-E), the RNS-E time source changes to "Time from GPS" instead of "Time from Instrument Cluster", and everything is perfect.

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks :-)

LanceEagle · 12-14-2005, 07:27 PM

I meant to look it up to see if another wire could be run from the instrument cluster. Any thoughts on this?

bnl107 · 12-14-2005, 07:52 PM

The clock time/date data is transmitted via the CAN network.

RS_F-Whore · 12-15-2005, 02:56 AM

Let me know what you want me to log ...

bnl107 · 12-15-2005, 03:36 AM

the overall coding of the cluster, that would be great. There are 255 adaptation channels, and many will be blank, but I am hoping [fingers-crossed] that one of them will be different from mine because of the analong clock.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to help with this :-)

gandolf the white · 12-15-2005, 09:21 AM

RS_F-Whore · 12-15-2005, 11:24 AM

Seriously, which module am I looking in, and do I start at 001 and go to 255 (never touched the instrument module before!)

Is there an easy way to log this, or is it a pen and paper job?

bnl107 · 12-15-2005, 11:47 AM

Just go to the "Instruments" module, and then click on "Adaptation". It'll start you at "1" and then just go up from there, recording any values displayed for the different channels. As I said, most of them will be empty, so you can go through them all rather quickly.

As for the overall coding, just click on "Recode" in the same "Instruments" module, and copy down that number.

Thanks again for taking the time to do this. It may (hopefully) help a bunch of us out :-)

bnl107 · 12-15-2005, 11:51 AM

Here's a spreadsheet I made in Excel comparing the adaptation and coding values of an EU RNS-E unit versus a US one. Hope that helps.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/...Adaptation.xls

pearlwhiteS · 12-15-2005, 02:43 PM

can anyone part with 2? (everyone has 2 extra in their stock cluster). I'll gladly pay for this. TIA

12-14-2005, 05:58 PM	#1
bnl107 Junior Member Account #: 32524 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,771	My ongoing quest to solve the time issues between B5 clusters & the RNS-E (calling EU S4 owners) In a nutshell: there is a problem in the communication between B5 S4 gauge clusters and the RNS-E navigation units (newer clusters transmit the data differently; with a B5 cluster the RNS-E ETA times are off). This is the ONLY compatibility issue not solved at this point, and I am on a frickin' mission here to solve it! Here is my question: Are there any 1999 S4 owners on here (EU of course)? If so, you have an analog clock in your display, correct? I've seen some in passing on Ebay.de before, and never gave them much thought until now. If so, could you possibly use your VAG-COM (hopefully I can find a 1999 S4 owner in the EU with a VAG-COM...lol), and record all of the coding info for me? My thought is, as it has been, that there is some VAG-COM adaptation setting in the cluster which will disable the clock data from being transmitted. It has already been determined that when the clock signal is not present (e.g., when the cluster is not connected to the RNS-E), the RNS-E time source changes to "Time from GPS" instead of "Time from Instrument Cluster", and everything is perfect. If you can help, please let me know. Thanks :-) __________________ vB Broke My Sig... and my Heart.

12-14-2005, 07:27 PM	#2
LanceEagle Audiworld Junior Member Account #: 93988 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 182	I seem to remember seeing a "clock" connection on the back of the RNS-E Unit I meant to look it up to see if another wire could be run from the instrument cluster. Any thoughts on this? __________________ Lance 01.5 S4 98 A4 Avant REVO \| HyperBoost DVs \| DTS \| Snub \| HyperShifter \| RO2 Sims E-Codes \| City \| Aero \| Bi-Pipe \| EFK \| RNS-E \| B7-RS4 Reps Cold \| Premium \| Bose \| Sport-Trim \| X-1 \| ERs \| BI-GT25R Euro Rear \| Eibach Pro Street-S \| AWE Turboback CPT AUCAs \| Southbend Feramic \| AL Inlets When Spark Plugs Attack Rear O2 Sensor Simulator Solution

12-14-2005, 07:52 PM	#3
bnl107 Junior Member Account #: 32524 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,771	IIRC, that has something to do with the CD Changer, not the actual clock. The clock time/date data is transmitted via the CAN network. __________________ vB Broke My Sig... and my Heart.

12-15-2005, 02:56 AM	#4
RS_F-Whore New Member Account #: 48739 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 432	I have a '99 Euro S4 with analog clocks .......... and VAG-COM ;-) Let me know what you want me to log ...

12-15-2005, 03:36 AM	#5
bnl107 Junior Member Account #: 32524 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,771	If you could just go through each adaptation channel and record the values, as well as... the overall coding of the cluster, that would be great. There are 255 adaptation channels, and many will be blank, but I am hoping [fingers-crossed] that one of them will be different from mine because of the analong clock. Thanks in advance for taking the time to help with this :-) __________________ vB Broke My Sig... and my Heart.

12-15-2005, 09:21 AM	#6
gandolf the white Junior Member Account #: 78036 Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 786	2nd- thanks :-) __________________ "It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up."

12-15-2005, 11:24 AM	#7
RS_F-Whore New Member Account #: 48739 Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 432	255 - you gotta be kidding me !! Seriously, which module am I looking in, and do I start at 001 and go to 255 (never touched the instrument module before!) Is there an easy way to log this, or is it a pen and paper job?

12-15-2005, 11:47 AM	#8
bnl107 Junior Member Account #: 32524 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,771	Only takes about 3 minutes to go through all of them. Just go to the "Instruments" module, and then click on "Adaptation". It'll start you at "1" and then just go up from there, recording any values displayed for the different channels. As I said, most of them will be empty, so you can go through them all rather quickly. As for the overall coding, just click on "Recode" in the same "Instruments" module, and copy down that number. Thanks again for taking the time to do this. It may (hopefully) help a bunch of us out :-) __________________ vB Broke My Sig... and my Heart.

12-15-2005, 11:51 AM	#9
bnl107 Junior Member Account #: 32524 Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,771	An example Here's a spreadsheet I made in Excel comparing the adaptation and coding values of an EU RNS-E unit versus a US one. Hope that helps. http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/b/...Adaptation.xls __________________ vB Broke My Sig... and my Heart.

12-15-2005, 02:43 PM	#10
pearlwhiteS New Member Account #: 93439 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 50	I'm still in need of those brackets so that I can connect my RNS-E to the cluster... can anyone part with 2? (everyone has 2 extra in their stock cluster). I'll gladly pay for this. TIA

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