Track Sport - H Sport sway bar - New Rear sway bar links - I got Some Questions

EdyJun · 10-26-2005, 08:14 PM

Track Sport @ about 15.25" w/ 500/600/sport lbs springs -- Selling 700/800 lbs springs

H Sport front 35 mm and rear 22.5 mm sway bars

New Rear sway bar links

(pictures are taken from http://www.pure-motorsport.com/index.php)

Driving conditions: I drive trough cyn roads a good amount / will be doing a few track days in the future.

Questions:

1. So will I have any problems running this setup?

2. How will the H Sport sway bars play a roll in the setup? (too much / too little ?)

3. Will there be a problem with the C/O w/ Sway bar hitting each other?

Any comments / suggestion from people with similar setup?

TIA,

Edy

http://www.pure-motorsport.com/index.php

EdyJun · 10-26-2005, 08:45 PM

BoneStockS4 · 10-26-2005, 08:52 PM

There was a bit of understeer that I couldn't dial out, but the ride quality was good. When I had the Intrax bars on the same Tracksport setup with 700/800 springs the car handled incredibly and was very neutral, but ride quality sucked... As in way too harsh...

With the Ohlins and 700F/800R I got a bit of understeer with the Intrax bars when I had the dampers setup for good ride quality. Swapping to a hollow A4 bar in the front has helped get things neutral again.

vonSol::kinkS4 · 10-26-2005, 09:04 PM

The car feels pretty neutral and is planted on corners. Definetly a worthy investment if you have the funding for Ohlins.

P.S. - Even at 40mph around a nice curve you can whip the tail out and push it with the throttle! Right Chris? haha.

Imolavirus@BuehnEngineering · 10-26-2005, 09:47 PM

chili · 10-26-2005, 10:08 PM

and the rear sway at the same time. They kinda advised not to do the rear sway without the center diff though...

EdyJun · 10-26-2005, 11:55 PM

OCA::DIY Motorsports · 10-27-2005, 12:29 AM

I LOVE IT! Beware that your ride will get a bit firmer. I'm going to back my damping off a click or two. Sort of strange it got stiffer, but the change in handling is unbelievable! Its almost as big as going from stock to the TS's. I also have a DTS so that adds to the stiffness of the car. The car just flat out hooks up around corners....still a bit of push on high-speed entry, but once turned in, it's like its on rails as the rear end just snaps in line not too loose. I'm still on snow tires too, so I can just imagine if I had good street tires.

I got an email yesterday from Hotchkis and one of its engineers and I'll post the gist of it when I get home. Basically I asked if it was OK to run just the rear bar. His opinion was that for optimal handling, you should run both bars.

To your specific questions:

1. No problems
2. They will help dramatically!
3. No interference problems...just make sure you don't try and install the rear bar upside down!
Don't ask...doh!

OCA::DIY Motorsports · 10-27-2005, 12:44 AM

This is exactly the place to gain information re: our setups! Talking to biased manufactures will get you lopsided information. Asking people with real world(abet anecdotal) information gives you more to base your informed decision on.

Of course you need to educate yourself on the fundamentals of suspension, but asking questions is how we learn!

OCA::DIY Motorsports · 10-27-2005, 12:45 AM

10-26-2005, 08:14 PM	#1
EdyJun Member Account #: 48484 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,849	Track Sport - H Sport sway bar - New Rear sway bar links - I got Some Questions Track Sport @ about 15.25" w/ 500/600/sport lbs springs -- Selling 700/800 lbs springs H Sport front 35 mm and rear 22.5 mm sway bars New Rear sway bar links (pictures are taken from http://www.pure-motorsport.com/index.php) Driving conditions: I drive trough cyn roads a good amount / will be doing a few track days in the future. Questions: 1. So will I have any problems running this setup? 2. How will the H Sport sway bars play a roll in the setup? (too much / too little ?) 3. Will there be a problem with the C/O w/ Sway bar hitting each other? Any comments / suggestion from people with similar setup? TIA, Edy http://www.pure-motorsport.com/index.php __________________ 2000 Audi S4 STG 3 FATS = 3.66 w/ 91 oct AIM: EdyJun 11 September 2001 In their honor. In their memory. <font color="red">---------------------------------------------------------- <u><big> <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/edyjun1/S4/index.htm">EdyJun's S4 Directory (FAQ, DIY, Info, Tips and Help) </a> </big> </u>---------------------------------------------------------- </font>

10-26-2005, 08:45 PM	#2
EdyJun Member Account #: 48484 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,849	53 views and no reply -- hhhmmm __________________ 2000 Audi S4 STG 3 FATS = 3.66 w/ 91 oct AIM: EdyJun 11 September 2001 In their honor. In their memory. <font color="red">---------------------------------------------------------- <u><big> <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/edyjun1/S4/index.htm">EdyJun's S4 Directory (FAQ, DIY, Info, Tips and Help) </a> </big> </u>---------------------------------------------------------- </font>

10-26-2005, 08:52 PM	#3
BoneStockS4 Junior Member Account #: 39123 Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,725	I ran a similar setup... Tracksport 550F/650R/Sport with Intrax front/rear bars There was a bit of understeer that I couldn't dial out, but the ride quality was good. When I had the Intrax bars on the same Tracksport setup with 700/800 springs the car handled incredibly and was very neutral, but ride quality sucked... As in way too harsh... With the Ohlins and 700F/800R I got a bit of understeer with the Intrax bars when I had the dampers setup for good ride quality. Swapping to a hollow A4 bar in the front has helped get things neutral again. __________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________________ __________________________________________________ ____________________________ 2002 Nogaro 6spd S4 with Sport Package click here for my photo albulm -Neuspeed RS10's with 235/35/19 Bridgestone RE050 Pole Positions (summer) -RS4 Replicas with 225/40/18 Dunlop Wintersport 3Ds (winter) -Stasis Motorsports with 700F/800R springs, corner balanced -Intrax front sway bar, Intrax 22mm rear sway bar -EPL stage 3 custom tune :) -K16/K04 Buehn Engineering hybrid turbos with ceramic coating, port and polishing, and turbine clearancing -AWE Intercoolers, Twin2, DTS -ASP 3" downpipes w/cats -VAST ceramic coated exhaust manifolds -Clutchmasters Stage 4 clutch and lightweight flywheel -Stasis high bias 4:1 center differential -Stasis Motorsport 14" 6-pot Alcon BBK -Stasis Tracksport rear brake kit -RS4 motor mounts, RS4 tranny mounts, VAST snub mount -RS4 grill, M3 lip spoiler, Euro tail lights, XM Radio -APR bi-pipe -710N BPVs, Walbro fuel pump, Samco IC hoses -Toyguy shifter -otherwise BONESTOCK... Been there, done that: -CPP front upper control arms (RIP after 20K) -Meyle "OEM" upper control arms (RIP after 17K) -Tracksports with 600F/700R/touring valving -Tracksports with 700F/800R/sport valving -Tracksports with 550F/650R/sport valving Interesting Trivia: -Clutchmasters flywheel weighs 13.95lbs.

10-26-2005, 09:04 PM	#4
vonSol::kinkS4 Junior Member Account #: 30815 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,799	After BoneStock (Chris) took me for a ride last week, I was impressed.... The car feels pretty neutral and is planted on corners. Definetly a worthy investment if you have the funding for Ohlins. P.S. - Even at 40mph around a nice curve you can whip the tail out and push it with the throttle! Right Chris? haha. __________________ Stage II+ '01.5 Imola s4 (no nav, no sport pkg) - ASP Stage II+ software - Neuspeed G2 catback (center-res delete w/ 3" pipe) - 'piggie-pipes' - no o2 relocation - Neuspeed 19mm rear sway - Bosch 710N dv's - AWE DTS - AWE Vent Gauge - Samco TBB - STaSIS Tracksports (600f/700r) - Hardwired V1+remote display - - B-B-Blinded By TEH LIGHT! M20 - Fog relay mod - ASP Pedals - sh!tty clear corners - VAG - remote windows Soon: - Super Duper Snub - JHM "Solid" Shifter Current problems: - NONE!!! But for some wishful thinking: - custom widebody Imola (Carbon fenders & RS4 bumper - Carbon roof (PLIOGRIP bonded)/black side mirrors - cf hood/trunk/m3 lip (partially & tastefully painted) - ASP GT2871R Tuned - STaSIS EVERYTHING. I've got 4 years of mutual funds sitting around..so why not wish? ; )

10-26-2005, 09:47 PM	#5
Imolavirus@BuehnEngineering Elder Member Account #: 33927 Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 17,986	doesn't he have the 4:1 center torsen though too? __________________ -Jacob ^^^CLICK SIG FOR BUEHN ENGINEERING WEBSITE^^^ <big><big>Website Here!!!</big></big> <big>Items For Sale</big>

10-26-2005, 10:08 PM	#6
chili New Member Account #: 23530 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 268	I have the TS... when I spoke to Stasis about the next upgrade, they recommended the Center Diff ... and the rear sway at the same time. They kinda advised not to do the rear sway without the center diff though... __________________ -chili -> 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited 5MT Wagon (stock for now!) -> 1999 Subaru Legacy Outback 5MT Wagon

10-26-2005, 11:55 PM	#7
EdyJun Member Account #: 48484 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,849	How about running the H Sports in the front w/ stock Sway bar in the back and TS w/ 550f/650r? __________________ 2000 Audi S4 STG 3 FATS = 3.66 w/ 91 oct AIM: EdyJun 11 September 2001 In their honor. In their memory. <font color="red">---------------------------------------------------------- <u><big> <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/edyjun1/S4/index.htm">EdyJun's S4 Directory (FAQ, DIY, Info, Tips and Help) </a> </big> </u>---------------------------------------------------------- </font>

10-27-2005, 12:29 AM	#8
OCA::DIY Motorsports Member Account #: 60276 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,655	Eddy, I have your exact setup. I just installed the rear (with PMS end links)and its on soft. I LOVE IT! Beware that your ride will get a bit firmer. I'm going to back my damping off a click or two. Sort of strange it got stiffer, but the change in handling is unbelievable! Its almost as big as going from stock to the TS's. I also have a DTS so that adds to the stiffness of the car. The car just flat out hooks up around corners....still a bit of push on high-speed entry, but once turned in, it's like its on rails as the rear end just snaps in line not too loose. I'm still on snow tires too, so I can just imagine if I had good street tires. I got an email yesterday from Hotchkis and one of its engineers and I'll post the gist of it when I get home. Basically I asked if it was OK to run just the rear bar. His opinion was that for optimal handling, you should run both bars. To your specific questions: 1. No problems 2. They will help dramatically! 3. No interference problems...just make sure you don't try and install the rear bar upside down! Don't ask...doh! __________________ SUPPORT STEM CELL RESEARCH! "There are (shop)whores that do provide a valuable service. However, you appear as a whore with no orifices, therefore all you accomplish is space occupation." --Kartman "Those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve NEITHER liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin

10-27-2005, 12:44 AM	#9
OCA::DIY Motorsports Member Account #: 60276 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,655	Your last paragraph is just silly. This is exactly the place to gain information re: our setups! Talking to biased manufactures will get you lopsided information. Asking people with real world(abet anecdotal) information gives you more to base your informed decision on. Of course you need to educate yourself on the fundamentals of suspension, but asking questions is how we learn! __________________ SUPPORT STEM CELL RESEARCH! "There are (shop)whores that do provide a valuable service. However, you appear as a whore with no orifices, therefore all you accomplish is space occupation." --Kartman "Those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve NEITHER liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin

10-27-2005, 12:45 AM	#10
OCA::DIY Motorsports Member Account #: 60276 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,655	This will give you much more understeer...you don't want that. __________________ SUPPORT STEM CELL RESEARCH! "There are (shop)whores that do provide a valuable service. However, you appear as a whore with no orifices, therefore all you accomplish is space occupation." --Kartman "Those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve NEITHER liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin

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