APR ECU Explorer -- New Version

EdyJun · 07-20-2005, 10:25 AM

In my pursuit to understand my S4 better I have out grown the Vag Com (USB-Key) and am moving on to the APR ECU Explorer. But when I called my local APR dealer they did not have the ECU Explorer in stock. So I called APR's main number. By the time I had hung up the phone I was told that there will be a new version of it in several months (his guess was 5-6 months) and that this new version will be much more user friendly and more flexible because it will be re-written in a different computer programming language.

BUT if you already have the current version the upgrade is NOT free (as far as he knows). I was told they are not sure how much it will cost but if he would have to guess, between $50-$75. (Keep in mind it could be much more -- this is just a guess). Also once they release the new version the price of ECU Explorer will go up.

So now I have 2 options.

1. Buy the current version and hope that the upgrade will not cost another $150.
2. Wait and buy the new version and pay the premium price.

I am leaning toward #1 since my turbos are dieing and the dealer is going to replace them soon. I want some base line data before the turbos get changed.

Any comments?

Thanks
Edy

ECU Explorer

S4AVT · 07-20-2005, 10:40 AM

you can math

Flyboy · 07-20-2005, 10:50 AM

some unknown amount of time that could be longer than they anticipate, like that's never happened to APR before. And when it does come out, it's going to be more user friendly? The current version isn't difficult to use. More flexible, I'd be interested to hear how so. The current version logs over 20 variables simultaneously around 14 samples per second. What more do you need? I couldn't see paying more for some minor improvements, and if the changes are significant, you can upgrade.

Captain Matt, I be · 07-20-2005, 11:02 AM

**** APR.

PSmalls::DoggieStyle · 07-20-2005, 11:19 AM

Mark P · 07-20-2005, 11:20 AM

If they are going to invest 6-9 months into making it something better than it is now, doesn't that deserve an additional expense? If not, then they shouldn't bother to make improvements if they're just wasting their time. Heck, an Audi dealer charges $75 for an hour. If they invest another 6 MONTHS, $75 seems cheap to contribute to reap the benefits. And of course, you get to decide if you want to upgrade - no one is making you change, right?

For the record, I do know that this newer version is being worked on. It is being rewritten to allow upgrades to be implemented easier. I don't know of specific new features, but I do know that most of my issues and suggestions I have described will be implemented. I have never heard of any guestimate on anything pricing related, so I can't comment on that.

nyet · 07-20-2005, 11:21 AM

how can you not have a copy of SOFTWARE in f'kin stock.

Sorry, but the windoze guys there must be total morons.

PSmalls::DoggieStyle · 07-20-2005, 11:22 AM

nyet · 07-20-2005, 11:24 AM

hope they use INTERCAL and not .net

Captain Matt, I be · 07-20-2005, 11:34 AM

07-20-2005, 10:40 AM	#2
S4AVT Member Account #: 71765 Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,418	Never Trust APR 5-6month means a long~ time... stage 3 was 2week and was 1year you can math

07-20-2005, 10:50 AM	#3
Flyboy AudiWorld Super User Account #: 4736 Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,587	Go ahead and buy it now if you'll get use out of it. Why wait (m) some unknown amount of time that could be longer than they anticipate, like that's never happened to APR before. And when it does come out, it's going to be more user friendly? The current version isn't difficult to use. More flexible, I'd be interested to hear how so. The current version logs over 20 variables simultaneously around 14 samples per second. What more do you need? I couldn't see paying more for some minor improvements, and if the changes are significant, you can upgrade. __________________ MyAudiS4.com

07-20-2005, 11:02 AM	#4
Captain Matt, I be AudiWorld Expert Account #: 26545 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 32,082	son of a bitch, im not paying another $75 for something i already ing bought ** APR. __________________ Support Innovation for the B5 Platform - www.autospeedperformance.com www.vastperformance.com** B5 S4 Forum Cliff's Notes B5 S4 RNS-E Nav+ Installation

07-20-2005, 11:19 AM	#5
PSmalls::DoggieStyle Elder Member Account #: 69223 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,257	2nd. I don't see how it could really improve that much. Current version is fine IMO.

07-20-2005, 11:20 AM	#6
Mark P AudiWorld Expert Account #: 139 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 27,944	You paid for what you already own, and it works, right? If they are going to invest 6-9 months into making it something better than it is now, doesn't that deserve an additional expense? If not, then they shouldn't bother to make improvements if they're just wasting their time. Heck, an Audi dealer charges $75 for an hour. If they invest another 6 MONTHS, $75 seems cheap to contribute to reap the benefits. And of course, you get to decide if you want to upgrade - no one is making you change, right? For the record, I do know that this newer version is being worked on. It is being rewritten to allow upgrades to be implemented easier. I don't know of specific new features, but I do know that most of my issues and suggestions I have described will be implemented. I have never heard of any guestimate on anything pricing related, so I can't comment on that. __________________ Mark P Current: '08 Audi A3 2.0T DSG, S-line - Ibis White - website - 25k miles '04 Porsche 911 Turbo, Speed Yellow - website - 29k miles '01.5 VW Golf 4dr 1.8T, Satin Silver, APR Stg3 - website - 203k miles '09 VW Tiguan 2.0T, Candy White - Hers Previous: '02 Audi S4 Avant, Imola Yellow, APR Stg3 - website - 191k miles '00 Audi A4 1.8T, Silver - Quattrobonium website

07-20-2005, 10:25 AM	#1
EdyJun AudiWorld Super User Account #: 48484 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,719	APR ECU Explorer -- New Version In my pursuit to understand my S4 better I have out grown the Vag Com (USB-Key) and am moving on to the APR ECU Explorer. But when I called my local APR dealer they did not have the ECU Explorer in stock. So I called APR's main number. By the time I had hung up the phone I was told that there will be a new version of it in several months (his guess was 5-6 months) and that this new version will be much more user friendly and more flexible because it will be re-written in a different computer programming language. BUT if you already have the current version the upgrade is NOT free (as far as he knows). I was told they are not sure how much it will cost but if he would have to guess, between $50-$75. (Keep in mind it could be much more -- this is just a guess). Also once they release the new version the price of ECU Explorer will go up. So now I have 2 options. 1. Buy the current version and hope that the upgrade will not cost another $150. 2. Wait and buy the new version and pay the premium price. I am leaning toward #1 since my turbos are dieing and the dealer is going to replace them soon. I want some base line data before the turbos get changed. Any comments? Thanks Edy ECU Explorer __________________ 2000 Audi S4 STG 3 FATS = 3.66 w/ 91 oct AIM: EdyJun 11 September 2001 In their honor. In their memory. <font color="red">---------------------------------------------------------- <u><big> <a href="http://homepage.mac.com/edyjun1/S4/index.htm">EdyJun's S4 Directory (FAQ, DIY, Info, Tips and Help) </a> </big> </u>---------------------------------------------------------- </font>

07-20-2005, 11:21 AM	#7
nyet Member Account #: 13093 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 33,105	ROFL "not in stock" how can you not have a copy of SOFTWARE in f'kin stock. Sorry, but the windoze guys there must be total morons. __________________ ------------------------------------- "It's easier to practice medicine without a license in this country than it is to get info on tuning Motronic." -JasonS9 ECUxPlot - my java based ECUx/VAGCOM/VCDS plotter My hacked version of Flyboy's ECUx template. S4Wiki - CONTRIBUTE TODAY! Web based FATS calculator for ECUx and VAGCOM logfiles Sync your iPod under Linux! Definitive S4 DIY Thread of Doom AWOT Brain Trust #101 AWOT Axis of Evil Member #6 Member, Aw0t Fish Taco Dinner Club I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone." - Jack Valenti, President and CEO of the MPAA this site is NOT for information sharing it's strictly for multiple monologues that result in none of the participants changing their point of view - frank

07-20-2005, 11:22 AM	#8
PSmalls::DoggieStyle Elder Member Account #: 69223 Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 30,257	Yeah, it's a fvcking CD. EdyJun, send me $200 and I'll send you the damn CD :p

07-20-2005, 11:24 AM	#9
nyet Member Account #: 13093 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 33,105	"rewritten in another language" hope they use INTERCAL and not .net __________________ ------------------------------------- "It's easier to practice medicine without a license in this country than it is to get info on tuning Motronic." -JasonS9 ECUxPlot - my java based ECUx/VAGCOM/VCDS plotter My hacked version of Flyboy's ECUx template. S4Wiki - CONTRIBUTE TODAY! Web based FATS calculator for ECUx and VAGCOM logfiles Sync your iPod under Linux! Definitive S4 DIY Thread of Doom AWOT Brain Trust #101 AWOT Axis of Evil Member #6 Member, Aw0t Fish Taco Dinner Club I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone." - Jack Valenti, President and CEO of the MPAA this site is NOT for information sharing it's strictly for multiple monologues that result in none of the participants changing their point of view - frank

07-20-2005, 11:34 AM	#10
Captain Matt, I be AudiWorld Expert Account #: 26545 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 32,082	its a burned CD with a cheap label on it too. __________________ Support Innovation for the B5 Platform - www.autospeedperformance.com www.vastperformance.com B5 S4 Forum Cliff's Notes B5 S4 RNS-E Nav+ Installation

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