H-Sport vs Neuspeed Sway bars... Is it worth the extra for H-Sport? Any negatives? - Page 2

S4mig@PEB tuning · 07-17-2005, 03:49 PM

zhenya · 07-17-2005, 03:59 PM

stock front? If the ratio of front to rear is the same (or able to be the same) with both types, what does it matter if both bars are stamped with the same logo? And Neuspeed is over priced at ~$260, but not the H-sports at ~$370?????

NoFHoes · 07-17-2005, 04:24 PM

S4mig@PEB tuning · 07-17-2005, 05:39 PM

As opposed to only a 4mm increase in the rear. You also get the added benifit of decreased weight off the front end with the hollow H sport. And since you are getting two bars for $400 its a better deal than one for $270. Don't get me wrong the neuspeed bar was a fine product because for a long time it was the only thing available, but now a better product is available.

3Scanner · 07-17-2005, 05:58 PM

Different combination than your standard (Neuspeed only in rear or H-sport front/rear combo). I agree with S4mig - why upgrade the back and not also do the front.

Would have gotten the complete Hotchkiss setup but I got a good deal from Eric @ DUH-Engineering on the H-Sport front bar. I would only go this route with aftermarket suspension, however. Stock suspension with this particular combo is likely not ideal, IMO.

zhenya · 07-17-2005, 06:36 PM

The ratio of neuspeed/stock is almost exactly the same as the ratio of the H-sport bars; ~1.5. So both of the H-sport bars are bigger, but the effective difference is essentially the same. Yes, you get a bigger bar up front, but because increasing the front bar would cause more understeer, they had to make the rear bar bigger as well. Sounds like perfect marketing to me. Remember, these are just BARS. They are a stopgap solution for an imperfect suspension design. There is no reason why you should "upgrade" the front bar just because you're changing the rear.

zhenya · 07-17-2005, 06:47 PM

and why would this only be good with aftermarket suspension? Typically upgraded suspension starts to diminish the need for sway bars, to the point of sometimes running no bar at all when running very high spring rates.

3Scanner · 07-18-2005, 08:10 AM

greater adjustability.

zhenya · 07-18-2005, 08:25 AM

I assume you are trying to reduce understeer by installing a stiffer rear bar. However, putting on a larger front bar negates much of the effect of that stiffer rear bar. You have effectively increased the spring rates during cornering of your front and rear suspension now, which has its benefits (and negatives) but your front to rear ratio is now close to stock again, which is balanced towards understeer.

3Scanner · 07-18-2005, 10:55 AM

justify my purchase. :0P

I haven't thrown away the stock front sway bar, so it's there if I need to go back. Point well taken, however!

07-17-2005, 03:49 PM	#11
S4mig@PEB tuning Elder Member Account #: 54947 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,903	You are missing the point, its why only do half the job. That and the neuspeed bar is way overpriced __________________ <a href="http://account.audiworld.com/users/20137.phtml"> </a> AIM: aSmig4 My favorite "tuner" quote, now deleted: "If you had purchased our kit you car would still be a nice 2002 S4 instead of a big pile of blue garbage." Bob@strat. describing BuffaloNogaro's car. Do tuners lie? FOD kills.

07-17-2005, 03:59 PM	#12
zhenya Junior Member Account #: 70550 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,122	How am I missing the point? How is the H-Sport set doing the job "better" than the set of Neuspeed/ stock front? If the ratio of front to rear is the same (or able to be the same) with both types, what does it matter if both bars are stamped with the same logo? And Neuspeed is over priced at ~$260, but not the H-sports at ~$370?????

07-17-2005, 04:24 PM	#13
NoFHoes AudiWorld Senior Member Account #: 19401 Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 4,836	Only negative to any install is getting those 17mm nuts off the rear link. Mine still do not budge.

07-17-2005, 05:39 PM	#14
S4mig@PEB tuning Elder Member Account #: 54947 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,903	Stock front is 29 mm and stock rear is 15mm, So you get a 6 and 7mm increase respectively As opposed to only a 4mm increase in the rear. You also get the added benifit of decreased weight off the front end with the hollow H sport. And since you are getting two bars for $400 its a better deal than one for $270. Don't get me wrong the neuspeed bar was a fine product because for a long time it was the only thing available, but now a better product is available. __________________ <a href="http://account.audiworld.com/users/20137.phtml"> </a> AIM: aSmig4 My favorite "tuner" quote, now deleted: "If you had purchased our kit you car would still be a nice 2002 S4 instead of a big pile of blue garbage." Bob@strat. describing BuffaloNogaro's car. Do tuners lie? FOD kills.

07-17-2005, 05:58 PM	#15
3Scanner AudiWorld Senior Member Account #: 43051 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,314	I have Neuspeed 19mm in the rear and H-sport 35mm in the front. They work great! Different combination than your standard (Neuspeed only in rear or H-sport front/rear combo). I agree with S4mig - why upgrade the back and not also do the front. Would have gotten the complete Hotchkiss setup but I got a good deal from Eric @ DUH-Engineering on the H-Sport front bar. I would only go this route with aftermarket suspension, however. Stock suspension with this particular combo is likely not ideal, IMO. __________________ ================================================== ===================== ================================================== =====================

07-17-2005, 06:36 PM	#16
zhenya Junior Member Account #: 70550 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,122	ok, but bigger does not necessarily = better, especially when it comes to sway bars!! The ratio of neuspeed/stock is almost exactly the same as the ratio of the H-sport bars; ~1.5. So both of the H-sport bars are bigger, but the effective difference is essentially the same. Yes, you get a bigger bar up front, but because increasing the front bar would cause more understeer, they had to make the rear bar bigger as well. Sounds like perfect marketing to me. Remember, these are just BARS. They are a stopgap solution for an imperfect suspension design. There is no reason why you should "upgrade" the front bar just because you're changing the rear.

07-17-2005, 06:47 PM	#17
zhenya Junior Member Account #: 70550 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,122	so you've essentially duplicated the stock ratio with larger diameter bars... and why would this only be good with aftermarket suspension? Typically upgraded suspension starts to diminish the need for sway bars, to the point of sometimes running no bar at all when running very high spring rates.

07-18-2005, 08:10 AM	#18
3Scanner AudiWorld Senior Member Account #: 43051 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,314	Not really, stock suspension is teh suck and newer spring rate, plus stiffer ARBs allows for... greater adjustability. __________________ ================================================== ===================== ================================================== =====================

07-18-2005, 08:25 AM	#19
zhenya Junior Member Account #: 70550 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,122	ok, but I don't understand why you thought you needed a bigger front bar? I assume you are trying to reduce understeer by installing a stiffer rear bar. However, putting on a larger front bar negates much of the effect of that stiffer rear bar. You have effectively increased the spring rates during cornering of your front and rear suspension now, which has its benefits (and negatives) but your front to rear ratio is now close to stock again, which is balanced towards understeer.

07-18-2005, 10:55 AM	#20
3Scanner AudiWorld Senior Member Account #: 43051 Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,314	Agreed...I don't track so less noticeable...got a great deal on them so trying to... justify my purchase. :0P I haven't thrown away the stock front sway bar, so it's there if I need to go back. Point well taken, however! __________________ ================================================== ===================== ================================================== =====================

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