REVIEW: Vogtland COs! :-)

No More B5 S4 · 09-10-2004, 04:32 AM

First off, a big thanks to: mike@puremotorsport.com for getting these COs to me in a timely manner. Mike drove over 150 miles on a busy Saturday to get the COs to me. That's first-rate service! The price of the Vogtlands from PureMotorsport is ~$1,125.00. If you're looking for Vogtlands or any other parts, I highly recommend Mike and PureMotorsport. :-)

Abstract: the Vogtland COs are very similar to the H&R Ultras in performance and ride quality but at a street price of ~$300 less.

The Good: very good performance, good ride quality over smooth to moderate pavement, excellent pricing, good quality.

The Bad: a stiffer set-up that's a bit harsh on uneven pavement. Going over bumps/expansion joints at highway speeds, not so good (like just about every other S4 suspension).

The Ugly: none.

Detail: The Vogtland COs for the B5 S4 are height adjustable coilovers. Both the spring and shock are made by Vogtland. The spring rates are 670F/630R. Make no mistake, the Vogtland COs are on the stiff side. If you are looking for a suspension set-up that is more aggressive, more spirited, the Vogtland CO is going to be a very good set-up for you.

The fit and finish of the Vogtland set-up is very good, on par with H&R, Koni, FK. The install was very straight forward, no problems. Adjusting the ride height was easy as well.

Below is a chart of suspension set-ups I have had (with the exception of EF's and the H&R Ultras). I only had about 10 minutes driving EF's Stasis set-up but those 10 minutes, I went through my usual testing grounds and EF's set-up really shined. I've driven many S4s with H&R Ultras so I think I can give an accurate opinion on them.

The rating scale is from 1 to 10, 10 being best and 5 being average. The benchmark is the stock S4 suspension. It gets 10s for smoothness and 5s for performance. Each suspension is rated in direct comparison to the S4's stock suspension.

Overall, the Vogtland COs are very favorable. If you live in an area with smoother pavement and want a more aggressive set-up, I highly recommend the Vogtlands. The minor gripes I have with the Vogtland (like I do with just about every other suspension set-up for the S4) is the lack of valving/compression over bigger bumps.

I am aware that sway Bars, tires, ride height, road conditions all can change the way a suspension feels. I tried my best to minimize these differences and give you my "best estimate". Hope this helps. :-)

VerrÜckt · 09-10-2004, 04:48 AM

Steve Trac, Sec 303 · 09-10-2004, 06:29 AM

Captain Matt, I be · 09-10-2004, 06:36 AM

...he's got his settings dialed in perfectly.

No More B5 S4 · 09-10-2004, 06:40 AM

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/1737676.phtml

lemieux@curbside · 09-10-2004, 06:46 AM

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/1717324.phtml

Beeman'S4 · 09-10-2004, 06:50 AM

No More B5 S4 · 09-10-2004, 07:12 AM

VerrÜckt · 09-10-2004, 07:16 AM

OCA::DIY Motorsports · 09-10-2004, 07:23 AM

I'm going to set it up ala "Fletch" if possible.

09-10-2004, 04:32 AM	#1
No More B5 S4 Elder Member Account #: 41217 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 30,774	REVIEW: Vogtland COs! :-) First off, a big thanks to: mike@puremotorsport.com for getting these COs to me in a timely manner. Mike drove over 150 miles on a busy Saturday to get the COs to me. That's first-rate service! The price of the Vogtlands from PureMotorsport is ~$1,125.00. If you're looking for Vogtlands or any other parts, I highly recommend Mike and PureMotorsport. :-) Abstract: the Vogtland COs are very similar to the H&R Ultras in performance and ride quality but at a street price of ~$300 less. The Good: very good performance, good ride quality over smooth to moderate pavement, excellent pricing, good quality. The Bad: a stiffer set-up that's a bit harsh on uneven pavement. Going over bumps/expansion joints at highway speeds, not so good (like just about every other S4 suspension). The Ugly: none. Detail: The Vogtland COs for the B5 S4 are height adjustable coilovers. Both the spring and shock are made by Vogtland. The spring rates are 670F/630R. Make no mistake, the Vogtland COs are on the stiff side. If you are looking for a suspension set-up that is more aggressive, more spirited, the Vogtland CO is going to be a very good set-up for you. The fit and finish of the Vogtland set-up is very good, on par with H&R, Koni, FK. The install was very straight forward, no problems. Adjusting the ride height was easy as well. Below is a chart of suspension set-ups I have had (with the exception of EF's and the H&R Ultras). I only had about 10 minutes driving EF's Stasis set-up but those 10 minutes, I went through my usual testing grounds and EF's set-up really shined. I've driven many S4s with H&R Ultras so I think I can give an accurate opinion on them. The rating scale is from 1 to 10, 10 being best and 5 being average. The benchmark is the stock S4 suspension. It gets 10s for smoothness and 5s for performance. Each suspension is rated in direct comparison to the S4's stock suspension. Overall, the Vogtland COs are very favorable. If you live in an area with smoother pavement and want a more aggressive set-up, I highly recommend the Vogtlands. The minor gripes I have with the Vogtland (like I do with just about every other suspension set-up for the S4) is the lack of valving/compression over bigger bumps. I am aware that sway Bars, tires, ride height, road conditions all can change the way a suspension feels. I tried my best to minimize these differences and give you my "best estimate". Hope this helps. :-) __________________ --------------------------------------------------------- "The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you." -2 Timothy 4:22 Click for Peer FATS Times. Updated: 03/15/05<a href="http://public.fotki.com/s4madman/scenerylandscape/wallpapers_1600x1200/"> Got Wallpapers? Updated: 10/29/04</a> The AW Database. Updated: 02/15/05

09-10-2004, 04:48 AM	#2
VerrÜckt AudiWorld Super User Account #: 52044 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,416	Very nice sir. I have the "Fletcher" setup and highly recommend it.

09-10-2004, 06:29 AM	#3
Steve Trac, Sec 303 AudiWorld Super User Account #: 23929 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 21,848	what is the "Fletcher" setup? How does it differ from standard Track Sports @ 600/700?

09-10-2004, 06:36 AM	#4
Captain Matt, I be Elder Member Account #: 26545 Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 32,092	IIRC stasis did a little extra work on the valving, he has a rear sway set on stiff, and... ...he's got his settings dialed in perfectly. __________________ Support Innovation for the B5 Platform - www.autospeedperformance.com www.vastperformance.com B5 S4 Forum Cliff's Notes B5 S4 RNS-E Nav+ Installation

09-10-2004, 06:40 AM	#5
No More B5 S4 Elder Member Account #: 41217 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 30,774	Answer... http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/1737676.phtml __________________ --------------------------------------------------------- "The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you." -2 Timothy 4:22 Click for Peer FATS Times. Updated: 03/15/05<a href="http://public.fotki.com/s4madman/scenerylandscape/wallpapers_1600x1200/"> Got Wallpapers? Updated: 10/29/04</a> The AW Database. Updated: 02/15/05

09-10-2004, 06:46 AM	#6
lemieux@curbside AudiWorld Super User Account #: 47312 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 17,783	thanks , i always wanted to know .. http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/1717324.phtml __________________ ************************************************ ************************************* "it's a B5 S4 ,it may break down, but its far enough ahead, by the time its fixed, you still haven't caught up." -best line i've heard ;) AUDI B5 S4 detail info (pdf file) that everyone should read and have saved on his computer AUDI B5 RS4 study guide detail info (pdf file) FATS database VAG-COM LOCATOR ASP Hands down the "BESTEST" tuner out there.

09-10-2004, 06:50 AM	#7
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09-10-2004, 07:12 AM	#8
No More B5 S4 Elder Member Account #: 41217 Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 30,774	:-) __________________ --------------------------------------------------------- "The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you." -2 Timothy 4:22 Click for Peer FATS Times. Updated: 03/15/05<a href="http://public.fotki.com/s4madman/scenerylandscape/wallpapers_1600x1200/"> Got Wallpapers? Updated: 10/29/04</a> The AW Database. Updated: 02/15/05

09-10-2004, 07:16 AM	#9
VerrÜckt AudiWorld Super User Account #: 52044 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,416	I don't have the adjustable camber and I have neutral front toe...but the rest is basically the same

09-10-2004, 07:23 AM	#10
OCA::DIY Motorsports Member Account #: 60276 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,655	Just ordered Stasis TS but its coming with 700/800. Going on an avant...too stiff? I'm going to set it up ala "Fletch" if possible. __________________ SUPPORT STEM CELL RESEARCH! "There are (shop)whores that do provide a valuable service. However, you appear as a whore with no orifices, therefore all you accomplish is space occupation." --Kartman "Those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve NEITHER liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin

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