Dunlop M3s vs Michelin Pilot Alpins

chili · 10-25-2005, 12:36 PM

anyone with first hand experience care to comment on these 2 winter tires? in the past i have had Dunlop M2s and Michelin Artic Alpins on my Audis. it is time to get some good winter rubber for my ride and it seems these are both good tire choices that i can easily get.

FYI, i live full time in N. Tahoe which means a winter tire has to be good in the deep wet snow and slush. and it also has to be good for dry as we can have fairly long spells of no snow and for highway cruising to the "big" cities like Reno or Sac. so.... any thoughts? or Sac

Mark.core™ · 10-25-2005, 01:16 PM

TwinTurboTerror · 10-25-2005, 01:19 PM

running on Nokian WRs (for the winters), but that may not be aggressive enough for you for the snow in N. Tahoe.

chili · 10-25-2005, 01:26 PM

i don't know how they ride, but i have heard from my Audi mechanic that the M3s don't last as long as the older M2s. i dunno if this is true or not.

care to elaborate your experiences w/ the M3's or Blizzaks?

chili · 10-25-2005, 01:27 PM

Mark.core™ · 10-25-2005, 01:33 PM

them and the car was predictable and kept its traction even when i tried to skid it ... really great stuff. I say M3s and LM-25s because whenever this question is asked it always comes down to the M3s or the LM-22s (LM-25s now which are improved over the LM-22s) ... I would buy the LM-25s again and again because there is no reason not to, IMHO.

Andrew C. · 10-25-2005, 01:34 PM

wasn't outstanding in deep snow. for me (live in SF go up to Tahoe several weekends) it's fine, but i've gotten stuck a couple of times in deep snow . . . ok, maybe i should have raised my suspension a bit too!!!

but if i lived up there i wouldn't choose the Pilot Alpins.

Swank4 · 10-25-2005, 01:39 PM

I take I-80 up to Truckee several times (5-10 weekends) each winter on my M2s. Car does fine. It gets a little squirrly when trying ot change lanes over those tire tracks when lots of snow has fallen. Otherwise they are fine for Tahoe. If you need to drive on dry pavement a lot (like it sounds like) I wouldn't get the squishy Blizzak models (which are awesome in the deep snow).

Andrew C. · 10-25-2005, 01:41 PM

snow or ice categories. the Pilot Alpins were superior in the dry and for comfort.

m3 is top, lm-25 is too new for providing these ratings.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=W&VT=C

TwinTurboTerror · 10-25-2005, 01:58 PM

10-25-2005, 12:36 PM	#1
chili New Member Account #: 23530 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 268	Dunlop M3s vs Michelin Pilot Alpins anyone with first hand experience care to comment on these 2 winter tires? in the past i have had Dunlop M2s and Michelin Artic Alpins on my Audis. it is time to get some good winter rubber for my ride and it seems these are both good tire choices that i can easily get. FYI, i live full time in N. Tahoe which means a winter tire has to be good in the deep wet snow and slush. and it also has to be good for dry as we can have fairly long spells of no snow and for highway cruising to the "big" cities like Reno or Sac. so.... any thoughts? or Sac __________________ -chili -> 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited 5MT Wagon (stock for now!) -> 1999 Subaru Legacy Outback 5MT Wagon

10-25-2005, 01:16 PM	#2
Mark.core™ Elder Member Account #: 44671 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 34,312	This should be in the FAQ for Winter Tires - M3s or LM-25s. End of story. __________________ Mark.core New Jersey & London

10-25-2005, 01:19 PM	#3
TwinTurboTerror Member Account #: 3779 Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 13,279	The ride and handling were a bit poor and the noise a bit high for me on the Alpins. I'm currently running on Nokian WRs (for the winters), but that may not be aggressive enough for you for the snow in N. Tahoe. __________________

10-25-2005, 01:26 PM	#4
chili New Member Account #: 23530 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 268	why M3's or LM-25's and End of Story? i don't know how they ride, but i have heard from my Audi mechanic that the M3s don't last as long as the older M2s. i dunno if this is true or not. care to elaborate your experiences w/ the M3's or Blizzaks? __________________ -chili -> 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited 5MT Wagon (stock for now!) -> 1999 Subaru Legacy Outback 5MT Wagon

10-25-2005, 01:27 PM	#5
chili New Member Account #: 23530 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 268	cool... i looked at some of the Nokians. maybe i'll check them out again. __________________ -chili -> 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited 5MT Wagon (stock for now!) -> 1999 Subaru Legacy Outback 5MT Wagon

10-25-2005, 01:33 PM	#6
Mark.core™ Elder Member Account #: 44671 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 34,312	I couldn't say a bad thing about the Blizzaks .. I drove hundreds of miles in the snow and ice with them and the car was predictable and kept its traction even when i tried to skid it ... really great stuff. I say M3s and LM-25s because whenever this question is asked it always comes down to the M3s or the LM-22s (LM-25s now which are improved over the LM-22s) ... I would buy the LM-25s again and again because there is no reason not to, IMHO. __________________ Mark.core New Jersey & London

10-25-2005, 01:34 PM	#7
Andrew C. AudiWorld Super User Account #: 560 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 10,536	i thought the handling was good for a snow tire, but the performance wasn't outstanding in deep snow. for me (live in SF go up to Tahoe several weekends) it's fine, but i've gotten stuck a couple of times in deep snow . . . ok, maybe i should have raised my suspension a bit too!!! but if i lived up there i wouldn't choose the Pilot Alpins. __________________ - Andrew C. now: 01.5 S4 Avant Pearl/Onyx Widebody was: 98.5 A4 2.8 QMS Pearl/Ecru Pearl White S4 Frappr

10-25-2005, 01:39 PM	#8
Swank4 AudiWorld Super User Account #: 41738 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 6,759	I was wondering when we'd get this week's dose of winter tire questions :) I take I-80 up to Truckee several times (5-10 weekends) each winter on my M2s. Car does fine. It gets a little squirrly when trying ot change lanes over those tire tracks when lots of snow has fallen. Otherwise they are fine for Tahoe. If you need to drive on dry pavement a lot (like it sounds like) I wouldn't get the squishy Blizzak models (which are awesome in the deep snow). __________________ 2001 S4 avant / RS6K04 turbos / ASP custom tuning / Fast Intentions 3" downpipes / AWE Twin2 exhaust / AWE ICs / Aquamist water/meth / SPEC 3+ clutch / Stasis Motorsports (Ohlins) 700F/800R / Stasis Alcon 355 BBK, 298 rears / H-sport rear sway / Stasis 4:1 rear diff / Zeitronix wideband O2. FATS = 3.35 on 91 octane.

10-25-2005, 01:41 PM	#9
Andrew C. AudiWorld Super User Account #: 560 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 10,536	tire rack's customer results. PA are above the LM-22 overall, but lower in all snow or ice categories. the Pilot Alpins were superior in the dry and for comfort. m3 is top, lm-25 is too new for providing these ratings. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=W&VT=C __________________ - Andrew C. now: 01.5 S4 Avant Pearl/Onyx Widebody was: 98.5 A4 2.8 QMS Pearl/Ecru Pearl White S4 Frappr

10-25-2005, 01:58 PM	#10
TwinTurboTerror Member Account #: 3779 Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 13,279	Well, if Alpins didn't cut it for you in the snow, the Nokian WRs sure as hell won't. __________________

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