Toluene: - Page 2

Jeff Vader - boscoj · 03-14-2002, 09:53 AM

there is my gallon on the right . . .

Taner Halicioglu · 03-14-2002, 09:56 AM

assume a 16 gallon tank.

14 gallons of 91
2 gallons of 114
Gives you...

((14*91)+(2*114)) / 16 = 93.875 octane :-)

-T

Taner Halicioglu · 03-14-2002, 09:57 AM

Jeff Vader - boscoj · 03-14-2002, 09:59 AM

Ted K · 03-14-2002, 10:13 AM

TTS_4_to_A6 · 03-14-2002, 10:15 AM

I would not recommend running it in the winter months as it settles at the bottom of your tank and you may have difficulties starting the car.

Zed 2.0 · 03-14-2002, 10:20 AM

Zed 2.0 · 03-14-2002, 10:21 AM

Chris SlvrS4 · 03-14-2002, 10:35 AM

Got this from Vettnet.

Hope this helps. Cheers.

Chris

By Ken Mosher submitted by Eric Webb

some data about the Sunoco CAM2 fuels from their literature:

SUNOCO "Standard"

Color......................Purple

Research Octane.........115

Motor Octane..............107

R+M/2 ......................111

Specific Gravity........0.725

Reid Vapor Pressure..... 8#

-- Distallation temp, degrees F --

Initial............90

10%............160

50%............220

Final...........360

SUNOCO "GT Unleaded"

Color......................Natural

Research Octane.........105

Motor Octane..............95

R+M/2 ......................100

Specific Gravity........0.760

Reid Vapor Pressure..... 8#

-- Distallation temp, degrees F --

Initial............90

10%............150

50%............210

Final...........230

SUNOCO "Supreme"

Color......................Blue

Research Octane.........116

Motor Octane..............109

R+M/2 ......................112

Specific Gravity........0.715

Reid Vapor Pressure..... 8#

-- Distallation temp, degrees F --

Initial............90

10%............155

50%............215

Final...........260

SUNOCO "Maximal"

Color......................Red

Research Octane.........118

Motor Octane..............115

R+M/2 ......................117

Specific Gravity........0.700

Reid Vapor Pressure..... 6#

-- Distallation temp, degrees F --

Initial............100

10%............150

50%............220

Final...........240

And from Rich Lassitter's article in the GS Xtra ... how to mix your own brew:

Formula #1 - Toulene

=============================

R+M/2.........114

Cost...........$2.50/gal

Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium

--------------------------------

10%...........94.2 Octane

20%...........96.4 Octane

30%...........98.6 Octane

Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only

raise octane 2-3 *points*, i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16

ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $3/gal at chemical supply houses

or paint stores.

Formula #2 - Xylene

=============================

R+M/2.........117

Cost...........$2.75/gal

Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium

--------------------------------

10%...........94.5 Octane

20%...........97.0 Octane

30%...........99.5 Octane

Notes: Similar to Toulene. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 *points*,

i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Usually mixed with Toulene and advertised as *race

formula*.

Formula #3 - Methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE)

=============================

R+M/2.........118

Cost...........$3.50/gal

Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium

--------------------------------

10%...........94.6 Octane

20%...........97.2 Octane

30%...........99.8 Octane

Notes: Oxygenate. Very common in octane booster products. Has lower BTU

content than toulene or xylene, but oxygenate effect makes the gasoline burn

better and produce more energy.

Formula #4 - Methanol or Ethanol

=============================

R+M/2.........101

Cost...........$0.60 - $1.75/gal

Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium

--------------------------------

10%...........94.3 Octane (Methanol)

10%...........94.7 Octane (Ethanol)

20%...........Not Recommended

Notes: Methanol is wood alcohol. Ethanol is grain alcohol and found in Gasohol

in 10% ratios. Both alcohols are mildly corrosive and will eat gas tank

linings, rubber and aluminum if used in excessive ratios. Main ingredient in

"Gas Dryers", combine with water.

Formula #5 - Isopropyl Alcohol and Tertiary Butyl Alcohol

=============================

R+M/2.........101

Cost...........$0.60-$1.50/gal

Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium

--------------------------------

10%...........94.5 Octane

20%...........Not Recommended

30%...........Not Recommended

Notes: Similar to Methanol/Ethanol. Isopropyl Alcohol is simply rubbing

alcohol.

How to make your own octane booster (this is the basic formula of one of the

popular octane booster products). To make eight 16 ounce bottles (128 oz = 1

gal):

100 oz of toulene for octane boost

25 oz of mineral spirits (cleaning agent)

3 oz of transmission fluid (lubricating agent)

This product is advertised as "octane booster with cleaning agent *and*

lubricating agent!". Diesel fuel or kerosene can be substituted for mineral

spirits and light turbine oil can be substituted for transmission fluid. Color

can be added with petroleum dyes.

I'll only add one comment regarding using methanol. In a word, don't.

It attacks zinc and magnesium very rapidly. Guess what is in carburators

and other fuel system parts.

SMOKINA4TURBO · 03-14-2002, 12:54 PM

03-14-2002, 09:53 AM	#11
Jeff Vader - boscoj AudiWorld Expert Account #: 15888 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 25,395	Don't get it on the paint unless your are trying to remove road tar there is my gallon on the right . . . __________________ __________________________________________________ _______ * RIP MATT AMMON. YOU WILL BE MISSED *

03-14-2002, 09:56 AM	#12
Taner Halicioglu Super Moderator Account #: 623 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 13,275	It adds linearly :-P assume a 16 gallon tank. 14 gallons of 91 2 gallons of 114 Gives you... ((1491)+(2114)) / 16 = 93.875 octane :-) -T __________________

03-14-2002, 09:57 AM	#13
Taner Halicioglu Super Moderator Account #: 623 Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 13,275	btw, 1 gallon will get you to 92.4 octane __________________

03-14-2002, 09:59 AM	#14
Jeff Vader - boscoj AudiWorld Expert Account #: 15888 Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 25,395	Kewl thanks . . . so I'm basically wasting it adding it in that amount __________________ __________________________________________________ _______ * RIP MATT AMMON. YOU WILL BE MISSED *

03-14-2002, 10:13 AM	#15
Ted K AudiWorld Senior Member Account #: 4909 Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,234	What the heck is it for??? __________________ Ted K 2008 Touareg 2, V8, Campanella/Anthracite, Lux Plus, Tech, Air Suspension, Llumar 35% Tint, Harman/Kardon Drive & Play 2, Parrot CK3100, Valentine 1, Cayenne winter mats - His 2009 Tiguan SE, 2.0T, Black/Black, Panaramic Roof, 18" Wheels, ipod Adapter, Trailer Hitch, Monster Mats - Hers

03-14-2002, 10:15 AM	#16
TTS_4_to_A6 Junior Member Account #: 15283 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,310	Toluene is very dense and resists combustion at cold temps I would not recommend running it in the winter months as it settles at the bottom of your tank and you may have difficulties starting the car.

03-14-2002, 10:20 AM	#17
Zed 2.0 Member Account #: 19916 Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 24,278	Octane boost

03-14-2002, 10:21 AM	#18
Zed 2.0 Member Account #: 19916 Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 24,278	Don't we have fiberglass tanks?

03-14-2002, 10:35 AM	#19
Chris SlvrS4 New Member Account #: 9264 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 126	Some more information about Toulene, Xylene, etc. Got this from Vettnet. Hope this helps. Cheers. Chris By Ken Mosher submitted by Eric Webb some data about the Sunoco CAM2 fuels from their literature: SUNOCO "Standard" Color......................Purple Research Octane.........115 Motor Octane..............107 R+M/2 ......................111 Specific Gravity........0.725 Reid Vapor Pressure..... 8# -- Distallation temp, degrees F -- Initial............90 10%............160 50%............220 Final...........360 SUNOCO "GT Unleaded" Color......................Natural Research Octane.........105 Motor Octane..............95 R+M/2 ......................100 Specific Gravity........0.760 Reid Vapor Pressure..... 8# -- Distallation temp, degrees F -- Initial............90 10%............150 50%............210 Final...........230 SUNOCO "Supreme" Color......................Blue Research Octane.........116 Motor Octane..............109 R+M/2 ......................112 Specific Gravity........0.715 Reid Vapor Pressure..... 8# -- Distallation temp, degrees F -- Initial............90 10%............155 50%............215 Final...........260 SUNOCO "Maximal" Color......................Red Research Octane.........118 Motor Octane..............115 R+M/2 ......................117 Specific Gravity........0.700 Reid Vapor Pressure..... 6# -- Distallation temp, degrees F -- Initial............100 10%............150 50%............220 Final...........240 And from Rich Lassitter's article in the GS Xtra ... how to mix your own brew: Formula #1 - Toulene ============================= R+M/2.........114 Cost...........$2.50/gal Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium -------------------------------- 10%...........94.2 Octane 20%...........96.4 Octane 30%...........98.6 Octane Notes: Common ingredient in Octane Boosters in a can. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 points, i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Often costs $3-5 for 12-16 ounces, when it can be purchased for less than $3/gal at chemical supply houses or paint stores. Formula #2 - Xylene ============================= R+M/2.........117 Cost...........$2.75/gal Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium -------------------------------- 10%...........94.5 Octane 20%...........97.0 Octane 30%...........99.5 Octane Notes: Similar to Toulene. 12-16 ounces will only raise octane 2-3 points, i.e. from 92 to 92.3. Usually mixed with Toulene and advertised as race formula. Formula #3 - Methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE) ============================= R+M/2.........118 Cost...........$3.50/gal Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium -------------------------------- 10%...........94.6 Octane 20%...........97.2 Octane 30%...........99.8 Octane Notes: Oxygenate. Very common in octane booster products. Has lower BTU content than toulene or xylene, but oxygenate effect makes the gasoline burn better and produce more energy. Formula #4 - Methanol or Ethanol ============================= R+M/2.........101 Cost...........$0.60 - $1.75/gal Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium -------------------------------- 10%...........94.3 Octane (Methanol) 10%...........94.7 Octane (Ethanol) 20%...........Not Recommended Notes: Methanol is wood alcohol. Ethanol is grain alcohol and found in Gasohol in 10% ratios. Both alcohols are mildly corrosive and will eat gas tank linings, rubber and aluminum if used in excessive ratios. Main ingredient in "Gas Dryers", combine with water. Formula #5 - Isopropyl Alcohol and Tertiary Butyl Alcohol ============================= R+M/2.........101 Cost...........$0.60-$1.50/gal Mixtures with 92 Octane Premium -------------------------------- 10%...........94.5 Octane 20%...........Not Recommended 30%...........Not Recommended Notes: Similar to Methanol/Ethanol. Isopropyl Alcohol is simply rubbing alcohol. How to make your own octane booster (this is the basic formula of one of the popular octane booster products). To make eight 16 ounce bottles (128 oz = 1 gal): 100 oz of toulene for octane boost 25 oz of mineral spirits (cleaning agent) 3 oz of transmission fluid (lubricating agent) This product is advertised as "octane booster with cleaning agent and lubricating agent!". Diesel fuel or kerosene can be substituted for mineral spirits and light turbine oil can be substituted for transmission fluid. Color can be added with petroleum dyes. I'll only add one comment regarding using methanol. In a word, don't. It attacks zinc and magnesium very rapidly. Guess what is in carburators and other fuel system parts. __________________ Chris SilverS4 '01 - Silver/ Onyx 6sp GIAC-X, H&R/Bilstein, Tanoga SS.

03-14-2002, 12:54 PM	#20
SMOKINA4TURBO Member Account #: 11056 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 3,212	When you just can't get any race gas you gotta make your own!

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