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Nice, Michael. Simple RS4's are quite impressive. Doing AWE's soon?

Posted by: Mike2kS4::ASP on 2006-10-20 12:28:20
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In Reply to: Stock versus IPP versus RS4 Intercoolers - Part II - The Road Tests posted by LI-S4 on 2006-10-20 11:51:42

2002 S4 Avant, 6spd. Bone stock.

Caveat: Any advice I express regarding potential tuning and such is purely informational. If your knowledge and abilities are not up to the task, no amount of advice can assist.

Thread:

Stock versus IPP versus RS4 Intercoolers - Part II - The Road Tests - LI-S4 2006-10-20 11:51:42 (1910 views)

Sorry to revive an old thread but I figure this is the best place to ask......What shorouds (more) - StreetCrawler(Cole) 2007-07-22 08:00:26 (42 views)

Excellent work in this analysis, just adding my input and assistance if requested... - scalbert 2006-10-20 18:09:22 (101 views)

I should also note that the factory thermistors are at best 2% units... - scalbert 2006-10-20 20:02:03 (74 views)

Do you know if other, faster responding thermistors are available? - nt2old4ns4 2006-10-21 10:29:35 (34 views)

I know there are less insulated thermistors out there... - scalbert 2006-10-21 19:13:27 (36 views)

I totally agree here. The temp drop differences are very small: - Toy_Guy 2006-10-21 04:44:54 (73 views)

Actually, if the ECU controls boost based on MAF... - scalbert 2006-10-21 05:43:26 (73 views)

You have it backwards... - Toy_Guy 2006-10-21 20:22:42 (164 views)

As I understand it... - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-21 21:14:38 (95 views)

I'll try again... - Toy_Guy 2006-10-21 22:19:01 (88 views)

... - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-21 22:57:21 (149 views)

You're so right: - Toy_Guy 2006-10-21 23:18:51 (76 views)

Indeed ;) - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-21 23:36:16 (59 views)

Thanks, I did not have that information previously... - scalbert 2006-10-21 20:35:27 (43 views)

The pressure drop is a key point, since it's the other big determinant of - Flyboy 2006-10-20 20:14:17 (95 views)

I probably should be more proactive in the forum... - scalbert 2006-10-20 20:29:06 (78 views)

steal one of Eric's IPPs. He won't notice anyway with his boost leak. :P - quickaudi 2006-10-20 20:32:28 (66 views)

Just head south on I-65 to I-85 E and you'll be at APR in about 5 hours... - scalbert 2006-10-20 20:39:59 (47 views)

Don't tempt me, cause I just sent them an e-mail through their website. - quickaudi 2006-10-20 20:48:20 (49 views)

If you copied me it was eaten by my filters on my server... - scalbert 2006-10-20 20:50:37 (33 views)

that sucks. best way to e-mail you, then? just don't copy you? - quickaudi 2006-10-20 20:53:28 (34 views)

you and Jeff are just crazy !!! - lemieux@curbside 2006-10-20 16:02:09 (69 views)

It's all Jeff's fault. He made me do it. ;-) - LI-S4 2006-10-20 17:05:58 (41 views)

What about AWE intercoolers? - STG II S4 2006-10-20 15:27:10 (64 views)

I refuse to answer this question again.... - LI-S4 2006-10-20 17:04:31 (63 views)

Thank you for the effort! I just wish we had FATS times to compare setups as well as stage 3 flow... - PSmalls::Sunoco104GT 2006-10-20 14:43:25 (71 views)

FATS on the last two of the three RS4 data were 4.66 - -> - LI-S4 2006-10-20 17:03:37 (77 views)

Looks like RS4 is the winner. Nice job with the testing! - Toy_Guy 2006-10-20 14:35:05 (52 views)

Thanks Craig! - LI-S4 2006-10-20 17:02:12 (39 views)

Excellent information! My logs with the IPPs and RS6 hybrid turbos are inside... - nt2old4ns4 2006-10-20 14:00:30 (240 views)

To be fair, accurate compressor outlet temperatures need to be known... - scalbert 2006-10-20 17:12:15 (51 views)

the cool down data is important too. An intercooler that keeps the full load temps... - EricVonHa 2006-10-20 14:03:54 (94 views)

Good point. Some idea can be inferred from the data though. - nt2old4ns4 2006-10-20 14:10:07 (77 views)

Thanks. It is nice to know that my estimation was correct at the time I was choosing between deeper - SchagenWagen 2006-10-20 14:00:12 (92 views)

with no significant difference in a mid-gear pull.. my request would be to see.. - EricVonHa 2006-10-20 13:51:54 (108 views)

If we do THAT test...I'm driving...you can wrench. - LI-S4 2006-10-20 13:57:47 (48 views)

Okay, we all wrench and we all drive since the risks are much higher :) <more> - EricVonHa 2006-10-20 14:01:03 (70 views)

I have a few miles of dead straight road that goes along the beach... - LI-S4 2006-10-20 17:00:45 (61 views)

the office park that used to be an old airport? - mjtaylor::eFast 2006-10-20 14:01:51 (46 views)

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... - EricVonHa 2006-10-20 14:18:14 (64 views)

since youre local and trusted, i'd give you access to my car to get the AWEs out for a comparo too - mjtaylor::eFast 2006-10-20 13:54:23 (44 views)

<tracking for my site> : ) - EdyJun's S4 Director 2006-10-20 13:32:16 (53 views)

ahh...much better than the hair dryer - nice work! - JoeyJoJoeJrShabadoo 2006-10-20 13:08:32 (52 views)

That hair dryer worked great! - LI-S4 2006-10-20 13:48:48 (47 views)

nice work. i appreciate the effort you've put into it. - ModifiedA4 2006-10-20 13:02:19 (51 views)

I dodged quite a few tickets doing all those FATS runs... - LI-S4 2006-10-20 13:08:57 (88 views)

i can imagine the five-o danger :) - ModifiedA4 2006-10-20 13:55:53 (47 views)

Nice, Michael. Simple RS4's are quite impressive. Doing AWE's soon? - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 12:28:20 (69 views)

Thanks Mike...but as I have stated..I was just the laborer. Jeff did the data crunching. (editted) - LI-S4 2006-10-20 12:59:54 (118 views)

Well, major props to Jeff too ;) - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 16:07:14 (49 views)

Curious...Did IPP say anything about the tests you performed.... I for one wish I would of waited - s4florida 2006-10-20 12:28:12 (173 views)

..as I did. There's often too much hype and not enough data on AW. Have to be careful. - Swank4 2006-10-20 13:37:05 (66 views)

Are you sure about that? I believe everything I read here and don't know why anybody wouldn't. - STG3S4 2006-10-20 14:14:03 (49 views)

Out of respect to IPP we presented our findings to them long before publishing it here- -> - LI-S4 2006-10-20 12:56:30 (189 views)

thanks, i enjoy reading your tests - wagongotya 2006-10-20 12:22:37 (47 views)

Very professional. Impressive!! Thank you. - FixedWing 2006-10-20 12:03:07 (116 views)

Temps... - LI-S4 2006-10-20 12:17:59 (110 views)

for the lazy, how many deg temp was the ipp better over the rs4? danke! - brizax 2006-10-20 12:08:57 (78 views)

VTB! - Ochlockonee 2006-10-20 13:52:53 (69 views)

I think you should re-read it... - LI-S4 2006-10-20 12:20:37 (60 views)

IPP better than RS4? What article are you reading? - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 12:15:27 (69 views)

lol was the rs4 better? sorry i assumed. - brizax 2006-10-20 12:16:39 (78 views)

Wow...you ASSUMED the IPP's would outperform the RS4's? Interesting... - LI-S4 2006-10-20 12:21:17 (81 views)

ipp = stock oem? - brizax 2006-10-20 12:18:03 (91 views)

Basically. - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 12:30:05 (67 views)

then what could account for the avg 25hp dyno gain that 3 cars put down after uprading to ipp's? - faiz_nogaro w/drawal 2006-10-20 13:37:32 (125 views)

Better pressure drop across the IPP IC vs stock most likely. We saw this - Flyboy 2006-10-20 20:02:30 (126 views)

Wasn't the TC in all the IPP/RS4 FATS runs indicative of a lower pressure drop than the stock- -> - LI-S4 2006-10-21 05:25:28 (56 views)

The three FATS runs with the RS4 IC's did not have TC. I attributed that - Flyboy 2006-10-21 06:21:50 (55 views)

Exactly what I was inferring, thanks. - LI-S4 2006-10-22 05:09:06 (26 views)

well put..i can appreciate your hypothesis...all of us who did the dyno certainly felt..(more) - faiz_nogaro w/drawal 2006-10-20 21:02:48 (76 views)

I can see this happening with an MBC much more readily than N75... - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 20:40:29 (60 views)

I recall bruno_s4 to be one of those who saw a big - Flyboy 2006-10-21 06:15:43 (54 views)

Is the N75 DC pressure or Mass derived? - scalbert 2006-10-20 20:48:14 (31 views)

MAF. - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 20:53:14 (36 views)

So, if boost is actually MAF based... - scalbert 2006-10-21 05:49:12 (48 views)

I don't buy it: I'd like to see some independent data. - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 16:01:02 (48 views)

then ask me..it was my car (vast Stg 3) & i have nothing to do with silva..independent enuff? - faiz_nogaro w/drawal 2006-10-20 19:20:29 (51 views)

Ok, email me some before/after logs. - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-10-20 20:10:14 (73 views)

quite optimistic, but they are stage 3 cars. Is LI-S4 stage 3? I didn't think that he was. - quickaudi 2006-10-20 14:01:57 (85 views)

Stage 3- (APR v5.0 93 code / Piggies / Custom cat back / X1 Intake) - LI-S4 2006-10-21 05:22:23 (47 views)

a stage 2+ made the same gains....if u search the forums u will see a link with the dyno sheet - faiz_nogaro w/drawal 2006-10-20 15:07:28 (70 views)

wait, a car with K03s with made a 25 hp increase and so did a car with K04s? that just sounds silly - quickaudi 2006-10-20 20:34:35 (66 views)

here u go silly ;-) .....see link - faiz_nogaro w/drawal 2006-10-20 20:46:41 (88 views)

aha! I figured it out. - quickaudi 2006-10-20 20:54:37 (85 views)

umm....errr...thats not my car..i was rockin' vast POWA at that time - currently i am an ex-patriot - faiz_nogaro w/drawal 2006-10-20 21:05:20 (49 views)

less pressure loss than stock? - davenew 2006-10-20 13:57:35 (63 views)

ahhhh thought ipp was a aftermarket company like the AWE" ic's - brizax 2006-10-20 12:42:02 (81 views)

They are... Read the very first installment for a link to their website. - LI-S4 2006-10-20 12:51:55 (72 views)

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