Need some help again! Got a question regarding overall timing please see log inside
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Need some help again! Got a question regarding overall timing please see log inside
Did another log this morning but i have a few questions on overall timing.
Ambient temp:66F
Fuel: 100oct(1/2 a tank)
File: X file
Humidity:67%
Altitude: 430ft
Boost: just a hair under 22psi spike, taper to 20psi by redline
Here we go:
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image001.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image002.gif">
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<b>Here is my specific question, why is the overall timing bounce? it was on its way climbing up and what a sudden it drops and climb back up? cf were too good(in a way i dont like it that much, would like to see some CF) and knock wasnt bad and it didnt have too many sudden spike?</b>
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Sorry, forgot to hit the start button on the WB but i didnt touch fueling for a long time afr should stay the same as last log, low to mid 11's in midrange and 11.5:1 right before i let off.
Anyone knows (Mr. M&M, Nyet, Midget, Flyboy, Dap, SmokingS4, Dvs2.7T and ............)why is overall timing bounces? when i run pump gas i didnt see such activities only when i am on Race gas.
I remember Midget and SLPRS4 have the same Experience before!
Thanks
Ambient temp:66F
Fuel: 100oct(1/2 a tank)
File: X file
Humidity:67%
Altitude: 430ft
Boost: just a hair under 22psi spike, taper to 20psi by redline
Here we go:
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image001.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image002.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image003.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image004.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image005.gif">
<b>Here is my specific question, why is the overall timing bounce? it was on its way climbing up and what a sudden it drops and climb back up? cf were too good(in a way i dont like it that much, would like to see some CF) and knock wasnt bad and it didnt have too many sudden spike?</b>
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image006.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image007.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image008.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image009.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image010.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image011.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image012.gif">
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<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image014.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image107.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image015.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image016.gif">
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<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image019.gif">
<img src="http://www.eglobalescrow.com/anthony/audi/logs/ah103pt25_files/image020.gif">
Sorry, forgot to hit the start button on the WB but i didnt touch fueling for a long time afr should stay the same as last log, low to mid 11's in midrange and 11.5:1 right before i let off.
Anyone knows (Mr. M&M, Nyet, Midget, Flyboy, Dap, SmokingS4, Dvs2.7T and ............)why is overall timing bounces? when i run pump gas i didnt see such activities only when i am on Race gas.
I remember Midget and SLPRS4 have the same Experience before!
Thanks
#2
Holy crap, hope my car can get that fast on race gas. As for X, seems that it freaks out a bit...
when it sees high mid range timing due to race gas adaptation.
Mine is much more pronounced than yours because I pulled the ECU and added timing to get the midrange timing higher:
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-5-2006_23psi100oct70f_MAFTimi.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-5-2006_23psi100oct70f_Correct.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/AFR_23psi100oct70f.gif">
Mine is much more pronounced than yours because I pulled the ECU and added timing to get the midrange timing higher:
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-5-2006_23psi100oct70f_MAFTimi.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-5-2006_23psi100oct70f_Correct.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/AFR_23psi100oct70f.gif">
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I didnt add timing from Lemmi, I think i should, since i dont like to see Zero CF across the board
I would like to see just a little bit like 0~3d of cf(learn that from the Moss man).
would like to add timing as soon as i can figure out why overall timing bounces.
does it make sense to joo?
would like to add timing as soon as i can figure out why overall timing bounces.
does it make sense to joo?
#4
And here with 0 CF almost across the board due to less timing advancement yet still choppy down low.
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-1-2006_23psi100oct82f_MAFTimi.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-1-2006_23psi100oct82f_Correct.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/23psi100oct82f_26297_AFR.gif">
Patrick had similar CFs to me, but choppy timing like the post I made above....best of both worlds :P
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-1-2006_23psi100oct82f_Correct.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/23psi100oct82f_26297_AFR.gif">
Patrick had similar CFs to me, but choppy timing like the post I made above....best of both worlds :P
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I talked to Moss about the overall timing bounce, suggested I go to tweaker file with X and XR.
My only explanation could be that X just flat out freaks when it sees real solid mid/low range timing because it's not used to it.
When I didn't add timing via Lemmi and ran the same X settings with race gas, these were the results:
Lower mid/low range timing, but no crazy pullback which I guess resulted in good performance due to more timing under the curve?
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-1-2006_23psi100oct66f_MAFTimi.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-1-2006_23psi100oct66f_Correct.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/23psi100oct66f_AFR.gif">
When I didn't add timing via Lemmi and ran the same X settings with race gas, these were the results:
Lower mid/low range timing, but no crazy pullback which I guess resulted in good performance due to more timing under the curve?
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-1-2006_23psi100oct66f_MAFTimi.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/Woo-7-1-2006_23psi100oct66f_Correct.gif">
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v654/DocSlow/23psi100oct66f_AFR.gif">
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#8
Heres my best guess and this is really a shot in the dark
which further proves IAT has a direct relation to overalltiming angle. you are starting at 100F and staying around there. I see nothing in the raw data to explain why other then high IATS to start off with.