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Old 10-10-2006, 09:14 AM
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Default Need some help again! Got a question regarding overall timing please see log inside

Did another log this morning but i have a few questions on overall timing.

Ambient temp:66F
Fuel: 100oct(1/2 a tank)
File: X file
Humidity:67%
Altitude: 430ft
Boost: just a hair under 22psi spike, taper to 20psi by redline


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<b>Here is my specific question, why is the overall timing bounce? it was on its way climbing up and what a sudden it drops and climb back up? cf were too good(in a way i dont like it that much, would like to see some CF) and knock wasnt bad and it didnt have too many sudden spike?</b>
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Sorry, forgot to hit the start button on the WB but i didnt touch fueling for a long time afr should stay the same as last log, low to mid 11's in midrange and 11.5:1 right before i let off.

Anyone knows (Mr. M&amp;M, Nyet, Midget, Flyboy, Dap, SmokingS4, Dvs2.7T and ............)why is overall timing bounces? when i run pump gas i didnt see such activities only when i am on Race gas.
I remember Midget and SLPRS4 have the same Experience before!

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Old 10-10-2006, 09:18 AM
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Default Holy crap, hope my car can get that fast on race gas. As for X, seems that it freaks out a bit...

when it sees high mid range timing due to race gas adaptation.

Mine is much more pronounced than yours because I pulled the ECU and added timing to get the midrange timing higher:

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Default I didnt add timing from Lemmi, I think i should, since i dont like to see Zero CF across the board

I would like to see just a little bit like 0~3d of cf(learn that from the Moss man).

would like to add timing as soon as i can figure out why overall timing bounces.

does it make sense to joo?
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Default And here with 0 CF almost across the board due to less timing advancement yet still choppy down low.

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Patrick had similar CFs to me, but choppy timing like the post I made above....best of both worlds :P
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Is that run with no tweaks, just your normal ~93 oct settings w/ 100 oct in the tank?
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It has tweaks, but what i meant is exact same tweak as if i was running pump gas
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Default I talked to Moss about the overall timing bounce, suggested I go to tweaker file with X and XR.

My only explanation could be that X just flat out freaks when it sees real solid mid/low range timing because it's not used to it.

When I didn't add timing via Lemmi and ran the same X settings with race gas, these were the results:

Lower mid/low range timing, but no crazy pullback which I guess resulted in good performance due to more timing under the curve?

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Default Heres my best guess and this is really a shot in the dark

which further proves IAT has a direct relation to overalltiming angle. you are starting at 100F and staying around there. I see nothing in the raw data to explain why other then high IATS to start off with.
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nice pull, i need to get ecuX. we have similar times but youre running less boost.
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Also I'd pull the ecu and let it sit 30 mins w/o power and relog


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