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Thanks to you and Jeff for all the effort on this! It seems like IPP and stock suck equally....

Posted by: PSmallsSmells on 2006-09-28 23:40:34
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In Reply to: IPP Intercoolers versus Stock Intercoolers ! Part II ~ Cruise, In-Car Road Tests posted by LI-S4 on 2006-09-28 19:28:00

Looking forward to see how RS4 and/or AWE ICs stack up against IPP/stock.

Question: Do IPP ICs normally use unmodified stock shrouds?

Sorry I don't have any other insightful comments, hopefully can sleep on it and have some brilliant response tomorrow because this thread deserves a great discussion.

Thanks again. Only way it could be better is if TC didn't occur and the tests were done with stage 3 airflow (like smurfbus said), but you did the best you could with what you have and we really appreciate it.

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IPP Intercoolers versus Stock Intercoolers ! Part II ~ Cruise, In-Car Road Tests - LI-S4 2006-09-28 19:28:00 (2130 views)

Nice work!!! I can't wait to see what the other IC's do. - s4florida 2006-09-29 10:29:34 (68 views)

Big 2nd! Nice work! - erik9108 2006-09-29 11:32:47 (77 views)

<golf clap>. Great work, very interesting. Having ridden in/logged an IPP car - NigelS4 2006-09-29 07:51:05 (144 views)

We determined that the waste gate actuators need to be adjusted, which should be done very soon. - nt2old4ns4 2006-09-29 09:30:39 (113 views)

Nice work Mike and Jeff. But, what other effects does TC have on these tests? (more) - CASA *S4* KING 2006-09-29 06:52:48 (95 views)

Obviously all we can do is speculate since to measure those affects - Flyboy 2006-09-29 09:41:11 (99 views)

Hey, Jeff: When you have TC the DV's should stay closed. - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-09-29 11:40:17 (80 views)

Thanks. That answers that question. - Flyboy 2006-09-29 15:32:51 (68 views)

Great job, but where are my APR RS4 IC hoses?? =) - box_of_partS4 2006-09-29 06:21:34 (77 views)

Confirmed in transit...will be here on Tuesday and on to you same day.. - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:48:16 (77 views)

Well done. You were as thorough as you could possibly be without getting rediculous ;) - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-09-29 05:21:06 (81 views)

Thx for the data. I think you need to talk Jeff into being the test vehicle as hes probably at peak - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-09-29 05:09:18 (109 views)

I refuse to take my bumper off again... ;-) - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:44:50 (75 views)

Out of curiosity I've made some similar logs. But it's a completely different - Flyboy 2006-09-29 10:44:40 (116 views)

...you just dont want to take your car apart =-) Sounds reasonable. The end tanks on the stockers - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-09-29 12:39:59 (92 views)

Agreed. Inconclusive data always begs a plethora of "what if's". - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-09-29 05:18:51 (104 views)

Wow nice data collection and analysis. I do have one concern - 'Nova S4 (Greg) 2006-09-29 05:01:50 (130 views)

What conditions would you suggest trying to test for? The - Flyboy 2006-09-30 06:50:23 (82 views)

If conditions allow, 2 backtoback fats+ tests with heavy braking and as much boost as possible. - smurfbus4 2006-09-30 07:14:55 (83 views)

I'm not sure I understand... - LI-S4 2006-09-30 16:45:56 (77 views)

I think what he is suggesting is that there be essentially - Flyboy 2006-09-30 17:32:26 (90 views)

I really am fine with your setup. Are you using a TCD to avoid TC or MBC? - smurfbus4 2006-09-30 22:43:39 (71 views)

He's trying a MBC. - Flyboy 2006-10-01 07:23:50 (74 views)

A 1st-4th run would be better, IMO.... Best done on a dragstrip ;) - Mike2kS4::ASP 2006-09-30 19:54:29 (64 views)

You know...a few people have been implying that the tests don't simulate conditions- -> - LI-S4 2006-09-30 18:17:51 (84 views)

Truth be told...Stockers are entirely sufficient for all but extreme conditions.. - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:43:39 (98 views)

preeeeeeetty.. - BlackS4TT (Josh) 2006-09-28 23:45:01 (79 views)

Thanks to you and Jeff for all the effort on this! It seems like IPP and stock suck equally.... - PSmallsSmells 2006-09-28 23:40:34 (165 views)

There are no real provisions for the shrouds on the IPP's- -> - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:38:24 (95 views)

what i gathered from that isn't so much that IPP sucks - nyet 2006-09-28 23:46:00 (195 views)

It's all "relative".....suck compared to what? - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:39:04 (70 views)

that is the $10,000 question ain't it :) - nyet 2006-09-29 14:47:52 (96 views)

I'd take the first bet...probably skip on the second.. - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:55:35 (81 views)

I guess we'll find out soon enough when he compares those 2 to AWE/RS4. - PSmallsSmells 2006-09-28 23:50:22 (124 views)

we'll see - nyet 2006-09-28 23:51:22 (124 views)

Taking bets... - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:39:49 (69 views)

Yep, stock is efficient in low boost low speed tests so I dont think any other IC will shine either. - smurfbus4 2006-09-29 01:18:25 (81 views)

HOLY COW - nyet 2006-09-28 23:02:21 (138 views)

<scratches head> Must study and read... :) - reefer_bob 2006-09-28 22:52:49 (78 views)

thanks LI-S4 and fly, waiting for that rs4 test. Anyone willing to test these on stg3 air flow ; ) - smurfbus4 2006-09-28 22:43:21 (79 views)

3 minus is as close as I can get right now..and, the AWE's I hope to test..../ - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:36:32 (114 views)

Great work on the tests - Phoenix80 2006-09-28 22:29:27 (70 views)

I think you should submit this to some academic journal =p Thanks for all your efforts!!! - B5QShip | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:36:29 (73 views)

maybe I should submit my fist into your face...either that or submit your IPPs into your car. - Farbs | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:37:47 (81 views)

??? Shouldn't you be out drinking like a good little undergrad? - B5QShip | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:38:39 (72 views)

HOMEWORKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK - Farbs | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:40:27 (73 views)

You boys shooting for publication or what??! Nice work! 8^) - Aman_UnatrlyAspiratd 2006-09-28 21:28:16 (79 views)

I take no credit for the data analysis...wish I could- -> - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:34:44 (78 views)

From what I can see, Stock vs IPP Intercoolers is same for FATS test. Is this correct? - rktskicar 2006-09-28 21:20:35 (131 views)

As B5QShip notes...I see the FATS as inconclusive relative to HP.. - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:30:01 (98 views)

Wrong. What part of "no faster FATS" is inconclusive? - rktskicar 2006-09-29 19:14:18 (94 views)

The part where throttle position drops to 40% halfway through the acceleration test. - Flyboy 2006-09-29 20:00:44 (93 views)

" so you can independently verify that I correctly identified the TC" ?? - LI-S4 2006-09-30 06:13:25 (83 views)

OK. Fair enough. How come stock IC's had TC? - rktskicar 2006-09-29 20:08:08 (93 views)

I logged 115 on a seperate set of logs, but only on the IPP's - LI-S4 2006-09-30 06:15:53 (86 views)

I was a bit surprised by that myself. A couple possibilities, - Flyboy 2006-09-29 20:39:53 (105 views)

There was most definitely TC occuring. Unfortunately LI-S4 had to use VAG-COM - Flyboy 2006-09-29 03:15:53 (119 views)

I would say the FATS tests are not very conclusive since there was throttle-cut - B5QShip | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:35:15 (91 views)

I would like to see some log/plots with throttle position and boost to support this. - rktskicar 2006-09-28 21:57:37 (76 views)

me too. But without it I don't think you can conclude anything... - B5QShip | CFDQ 2006-09-28 22:00:27 (79 views)

Jesus. - S4 SmokedU /-/// 2006-09-28 21:06:33 (124 views)

Wow, great work! This is arguably archive-worthy! - ed4 2006-09-28 20:56:07 (78 views)

w0w - Milpitas2.7T 2006-09-28 20:44:31 (83 views)

2nd that. - Tgr_Clw 2006-09-28 20:48:10 (78 views)

Awesome guys. Well done. I look forward to the other IC's to be tested. - Fast Euro 2006-09-28 20:13:47 (90 views)

Most impressive, so the stockers are not that bad after all, - STG II S4 2006-09-28 20:08:39 (124 views)

I suppose that is a matter of perspective and objective, no?? - LI-S4 2006-09-29 14:27:35 (75 views)

Wow... - ravegreen 2006-09-28 19:53:31 (123 views)

You rock. Now to go read it all. - S4tranquility / Jay 2006-09-28 19:44:34 (77 views)

Hey Jay...anyway I can convince you to trade your giac for my stock ecu? =))) - Farbs | CFDQ 2006-09-28 19:52:43 (77 views)

OMFG! YES!! I want another stock ecu sooo bad! Need some cash, too? :P - S4tranquility / Jay 2006-09-28 20:09:41 (97 views)

that will probably be the end result. Just seeing if I can find someone that needs to go back to - Farbs | CFDQ 2006-09-28 20:39:05 (84 views)

Just givin ya a hard time... but dude, have you looked very hard? - S4tranquility / Jay 2006-09-28 20:55:58 (102 views)

Dude my audizine account doesn't work!! its retarded. nevermind. got his AIM - Farbs | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:10:49 (79 views)

cliff notes? - Farbs | CFDQ 2006-09-28 19:41:41 (90 views)

fvckin' architects =p - B5QShip | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:33:35 (79 views)

answer your AIM you bum. - Farbs | CFDQ 2006-09-28 21:35:26 (76 views)

lol - iconoclast 2006-09-28 19:43:13 (73 views)

.subscribingtothread. - iconoclast 2006-09-28 19:30:03 (98 views)

i think sergio needs to repost the dyno sheets of our runs pre and post IPP....we gained over 20hp.. - faiz 2006-09-28 21:57:15 (141 views)

Flyboy had some interesting comments about that way back when - B5QShip | CFDQ 2006-09-28 22:00:58 (133 views)

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