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    to much phosphor reaaaly good info christian ; x
    Posted by: beerock on 2006-02-27 22:57:51
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    In Reply to: Amsoil has too many phosphors. Skip, IMO. posted by christian (Stage 1) on 2006-02-27 20:06:21

    This was originally placed a usenet newsgroup. Original
    author is unconfirmed, and missing in action...

    Choosing the best motor oil is a topic that comes up frequently in
    discussions between motoheads, whether they are talking about motorcycles
    or cars. The following article is intended to help you make a choice based
    on more than the advertising hype.


    Oil companies provide data on their oils most often referred to as
    "typical inspection data". This is an average of the actual physical and a
    few common chemical properties of their oils. This information is
    available to the public through their distributors or by writing or
    calling the company directly. I have compiled a list of the most popular,
    premium oils so that a ready comparison can be made. If your favorite oil
    is not on the list get the data from the distributor and use what I have
    as a data base.


    This article is going to look at six of the most important properties of a
    motor oil readily available to the public: viscosity, viscosity index
    (VI), flash point, pour point, % sulfated ash, and % zinc.


    Viscosity is a measure of the "flowability" of an oil. More specifically,
    it is the property of an oil to develop and maintain a certain amount of
    shearing stress dependent on flow, and then to offer continued resistance
    to flow. Thicker oils generally have a higher viscosity, and thinner oils
    a lower viscosity. This is the most important property for an engine. An
    oil with too low a viscosity can shear and loose film strength at high
    temperatures. An oil with too high a viscosity may not pump to the proper
    parts at low temperatures and the film may tear at high rpm.


    The weights given on oils are arbitrary numbers assigned by the S.A.E.
    (Society of Automotive Engineers). These numbers correspond to "real"
    viscosity, as measured by several accepted techniques. These measurements
    are taken at specific temperatures. Oils that fall into a certain range
    are designated 5, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 by the S.A.E. The W means the oil
    meets specifications for viscosity at 0 F and is therefore suitable for
    Winter use.


    The following chart shows the relationship of "real" viscosity to their
    S.A.E. assigned numbers. The relationship of gear oils to engine oils is
    also shown.


    _______________________________________________________________
    | |
    | SAE Gear Viscosity Number |
    | ________________________________________________________ |
    | |75W |80W |85W| 90 | 140 | |
    | |____|_____|___|______________|________________________| |
    | |
    | SAE Crank Case Viscosity Number |
    | ____________________________ |
    | |10| 20 | 30 | 40 | 50 | |
    | |__|_____|____|_____|______| |
    ______________________________________________________________
    2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 32 34 36 38 40 42
    viscosity cSt @ 100 degrees C



    Multi viscosity oils work like this: Polymers are added to a light base
    (5W, 10W, 20W), which prevent the oil from thinning as much as it warms
    up. At cold temperatures the polymers are coiled up and allow the oil to
    flow as their low numbers indicate. As the oil warms up the polymers begin
    to unwind into long chains that prevent the oil from thinning as much as
    it normally would. The result is that at 100 degrees C the oil has thinned
    only as much as the higher viscosity number indicates. Another way of
    looking at multi-vis oils is to think of a 20W-50 as a 20 weight oil that
    will not thin more than a 50 weight would when hot.


    Multi viscosity oils are one of the great improvements in oils, but they
    should be chosen wisely. Always use a multi grade with the narrowest span
    of viscosity that is appropriate for the temperatures you are going to
    encounter. In the winter base your decision on the lowest temperature you
    will encounter, in the summer, the highest temperature you expect. The
    polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring sticking
    and other problems. 10W-40 and 5W-30 require a lot of polymers (synthetics
    excluded) to achieve that range. This has caused problems in diesel
    engines, but fewer polymers are better for all engines. The wide viscosity
    range oils, in general, are more prone to viscosity and thermal breakdown
    due to the high polymer content. It is the oil that lubricates, not the
    additives. Oils that can do their job with the fewest additives are the
    best.


    Very few manufactures recommend 10W-40 any more, and some threaten to void
    warranties if it is used. It was not included in this article for that
    reason. 20W-50 is the same 30 point spread, but because it starts with a
    heavier base it requires less viscosity index improvers (polymers) to do
    the job. AMSOIL can formulate their 10W-30 and 15W-40 with no viscosity
    index improvers but uses some in the 10W-40 and 5W-30. Mobil 1 uses no
    viscosity improvers in their 5W-30, and I assume the new 10W-30. Follow
    your manufacturer's recommendations as to which weights are appropriate
    for your vehicle.


    Viscosity Index is an empirical number indicating the rate of change in
    viscosity of an oil within a given temperature range. Higher numbers
    indicate a low change, lower numbers indicate a relatively large change.
    The higher the number the better. This is one major property of an oil
    that keeps your bearings happy. These numbers can only be compared within
    a viscosity range. It is not an indication of how well the oil resists
    thermal breakdown.


    Flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can
    be ignited with a flame held over the oil. The lower the flash point the
    greater tendency for the oil to suffer vaporization loss at high
    temperatures and to burn off on hot cylinder walls and pistons. The flash
    point can be an indicator of the quality of the base stock used. The
    higher the flash point the better. 400 F is the minimum to prevent
    possible high consumption. Flash point is in degrees F.


    Pour point is 5 degrees F above the point at which a chilled oil shows no
    movement at the surface for 5 seconds when inclined. This measurement is
    especially important for oils used in the winter. A borderline pumping
    temperature is given by some manufacturers. This is the temperature at
    which the oil will pump and maintain adequate oil pressure. This was not
    given by a lot of the manufacturers, but seems to be about 20 degrees F
    above the pour point. The lower the pour point the better. Pour point is
    in degrees F.


    % sulfated ash is how much solid material is left when the oil burns. A
    high ash content will tend to form more sludge and deposits in the engine.
    Low ash content also seems to promote long valve life. Look for oils with
    a low ash content.


    % zinc is the amount of zinc used as an extreme pressure, anti- wear
    additive. The zinc is only used when there is actual metal to metal
    contact in the engine. Hopefully the oil will do its job and this will
    rarely occur, but if it does, the zinc compounds react with the metal to
    prevent scuffing and wear. A level of .11% is enough to protect an
    automobile engine for the extended oil drain interval, under normal use.
    Those of you with high revving, air cooled motorcycles or turbo charged
    cars or bikes might want to look at the oils with the higher zinc content.
    More doesn't give you better protection, it gives you longer protection if
    the rate of metal to metal contact is abnormally high. High zinc content
    can lead to deposit formation and plug fouling.
    The Data:

    Listed alphabetically --- indicates the data was not available


    Brand VI Flash Pour %ash %zinc
    20W-50
    AMSOIL 136 482 -38 <.5 ---
    Castrol GTX 122 440 -15 .85 .12
    Exxon High Performance 119 419 -13 .70 .11
    Havoline Formula 3 125 465 -30 1.0 ---
    Kendall GT-1 129 390 -25 1.0 .16
    Pennzoil GT Perf. 120 460 -10 .9 ---
    Quaker State Dlx. 155 430 -25 .9 ---
    Red Line 150 503 -49 --- ---
    Shell Truck Guard 130 450 -15 1.0 .15
    Spectro Golden 4 174 440 -35 --- .15
    Spectro Golden M.G. 174 440 -35 --- .13
    Unocal 121 432 -11 .74 .12
    Valvoline All Climate 125 430 -10 1.0 .11
    Valvoline Turbo 140 440 -10 .99 .13
    Valvoline Race 140 425 -10 1.2 .20
    Valvoline Synthetic 146 465 -40 <1.5 .12
    20W-40
    Castrol Multi-Grade 110 440 -15 .85 .12
    Quaker State 121 415 -15 .9 ---
    15W-50
    Chevron 204 415 -18 .96 .11
    Mobil 1 170 470 -55 --- ---
    Mystic JT8 144 420 -20 1.7 .15
    Red Line 152 503 -49 --- ---
    5W-50
    Castrol Syntec 180 437 -45 1.2 .10 .095 % Phosphor
    Quaker State Synquest 173 457 -76 --- ---
    Pennzoil Performax 176 --- -69 --- ---
    5W-40
    Havoline 170 450 -40 1.4 ---
    15W-40
    AMSOIL 135 460 -38 <.5 ---
    Castrol 134 415 -15 1.3 .14
    Chevron Delo 400 136 421 -27 1.0 ---
    Exxon XD3 --- 417 -11 .9 .14
    Exxon XD3 Extra 135 399 -11 .95 .13
    Kendall GT-1 135 410 -25 1.0 .16
    Mystic JT8 142 440 -20 1.7 .15
    Red Line 149 495 -40 --- ---
    Shell Rotella w/XLA 146 410 -25 1.0 .13
    Valvoline All Fleet 140 --- -10 1.0 .15
    Valvoline Turbo 140 420 -10 .99 .13
    10W-30
    AMSOIL 142 480 -70 <.5 ---
    Castrol GTX 140 415 -33 .85 .12
    Chevron Supreme 150 401 -26 .96 .11
    Exxon Superflo Hi Perf 135 392 -22 .70 .11
    Exxon Superflo Supreme 133 400 -31 .85 .13
    Havoline Formula 3 139 430 -30 1.0 ---
    Kendall GT-1 139 390 -25 1.0 .16
    Mobil 1 160 450 -65 --- ---
    Pennzoil PLZ Turbo 140 410 -27 1.0 ---
    Quaker State 156 410 -30 .9 ---
    Red Line 139 475 -40 --- ---
    Shell Fire and Ice 155 410 -35 .9 .12
    Shell Super 2000 155 410 -35 1.0 .13
    Shell Truck Guard 155 405 -35 1.0 .15
    Spectro Golden M.G. 175 405 -40 --- ---
    Unocal Super 153 428 -33 .92 .12
    Valvoline All Climate 130 410 -26 1.0 .11
    Valvoline Turbo 135 410 -26 .99 .13
    Valvoline Race 130 410 -26 1.2 .20
    Valvoline Synthetic 140 450 -40 <1.5 .12
    5W-30
    AMSOIL 168 480 -76 <.5 ---
    Castrol GTX 156 400 -35 .80 .12
    Chevron Supreme 202? 354 -46 .96 .11
    Chevron Supreme Synt. 165 446 -72 1.1 .12
    Exxon Superflow HP 148 392 -22 .70 .11
    Havoline Formula 3 158 420 -40 1.0 ---
    Mobil 1 165 445 -65 --- ---
    Mystic JT8 161 390 -25 .95 .1
    Quaker State 165 405 -35 .9 ---
    Red Line 151 455 -49 --- ---
    Shell Fire and Ice 167 405 -35 .9 .12
    Unocal 151 414 -33 .81 .12
    Valvoline All Climate 135 405 -40 1.0 .11
    Valvoline Turbo 158 405 -40 .99 .13
    Valvoline Synthetic 160 435 -40 <1.5 .12



    All of the oils above meet current SG/CD ratings and all vehicle
    manufacture's warranty requirements in the proper viscosity. All are "good
    enough", but those with the better numbers are icing on the cake.


    The synthetics offer the only truly significant differences, due to their
    superior high temperature oxidation resistance, high film strength, very
    low tendency to form deposits, stable viscosity base, and low temperature
    flow characteristics. Synthetics are superior lubricants compared to
    traditional petroleum oils. You will have to decide if their high cost is
    justified in your application.


    The extended oil drain intervals given by the vehicle manufacturers
    (typically 7500 miles) and synthetic oil companies (up to 25,000 miles)
    are for what is called normal service. Normal service is defined as the
    engine at normal operating temperature, at highway speeds, and in a dust
    free environment. Stop and go, city driving, trips of less than 10 miles,
    or extreme heat or cold puts the oil change interval into the severe
    service category, which is 3000 miles for most vehicles. Synthetics can be
    run two to three times the mileage of petroleum oils with no problems.
    They do not react to combustion and combustion by-products to the extent
    that the dead dinosaur juice does. The longer drain intervals possible
    help take the bite out of the higher cost of the synthetics. If your car
    or bike is still under warranty you will have to stick to the recommended
    drain intervals. These are set for petroleum oils and the manufacturers
    make no official allowance for the use of synthetics.

    Oil additives should not be used. The oil companies have gone to great
    lengths to develop an additive package that meets the vehicle's
    requirements. Some of these additives are synergistic, that is the effect
    of two additives together is greater than the effect of each acting
    separately. If you add anything to the oil you may upset this balance and
    prevent the oil from performing to specification.

    The numbers above are not, by any means, all there is to determining what
    makes a top quality oil. The exact base stock used, the type, quality, and
    quantity of additives used are very important. The given data combined
    with the manufacturer's claims, your personal experience, and the
    reputation of the oil among others who use it should help you make an
    informed choice.

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