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IF, you go from bone stock to stage III, looks like this isn't too out of whack. The issue, most...

Posted by: JasonS4 on 2006-01-12 13:45:31
Account #: 36810

In Reply to: Cost Comparison posted by Mark P on 2006-01-12 13:05:43

here go in stages. If you're already 2+, the cost to go to full stage III is a bit less since you already have the downpipes.

Also, you can easily run stage III with Piggie pipes which are a heck of a lot cheaper.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be making that kind of power and itsn't waaaay more to go from bone stock to this. It is waaaay more when you consider scraping downpipes you may have already purchased.

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AutoSpeed GT25R2 Kit is Complete! - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 07:46:57 (10540 views)

For the record, it appears that the prototype vehicle is putting out 575 crank hp and 597 crank tq. - t.arrows 2006-01-17 17:05:34 (1087 views)

Wasn't that addressed here? - InFlux 2006-01-18 11:42:35 (412 views)

Complete as in done ? tuned ? 350ish TQ at 6800+ - notahaterbut 2006-01-14 11:31:33 (561 views)

Hahhaa.. I know who this is... - Todeshandler 2006-01-14 21:05:22 (402 views)

What would the forums be without some trolls =) - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-14 17:42:11 (315 views)

more like a Toad.... - Zold-manS4 2006-01-14 19:28:22 (236 views)

Seriously, what a joke...1 post. - [badmoonrising] 2006-01-14 19:21:52 (287 views)

Cost Comparison - Mark P 2006-01-12 13:05:43 (1785 views)

Thanks for that Mark, now calculate $/hp, DOH! - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-12 16:59:50 (336 views)

i did that here. - Andrew C. 2006-01-12 17:08:41 (346 views)

IF, you go from bone stock to stage III, looks like this isn't too out of whack. The issue, most... - JasonS4 2006-01-12 13:45:31 (582 views)

It's giving me crazy ideas... - Verr?ckt 2006-01-12 16:49:30 (457 views)

"Profit"? - Andrew C. 2006-01-13 08:43:35 (250 views)

I'm pretty sure it's a reference to a joke in South Park. - VandyS4 2006-01-13 12:36:36 (211 views)

are they still making new episodes of that show? used to watch it when i had a TV. - Andrew C. 2006-01-13 12:49:00 (193 views)

yep, and it's still hilarious. - VandyS4 2006-01-13 13:09:31 (175 views)

i need to rethink this TV thing! - Andrew C. 2006-01-13 15:51:05 (190 views)

. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-13 06:26:09 (227 views)

that is pretty funny you mention that - I was thinking the SAME thing when the kit came out... - JasonS4 2006-01-12 16:57:40 (274 views)

Eerh... if you love her, shouldn't she get the Garret kit in the Allroad? :-p - FixedWing 2006-01-12 16:52:03 (394 views)

Another way to look at it.. - Minnesoda_Phats 2006-01-12 13:16:22 (360 views)

both of you please stop. I am trying to not justify this. - $240 worth of puddin 2006-01-12 13:29:33 (270 views)

you're right. it should be - Andrew C. 2006-01-12 13:45:07 (343 views)

/\/\/\/\/\/\ here's the $$/hp that Josh asked about. - Andrew C. 2006-01-12 13:23:44 (294 views)

nicely presented. - mjtaylor 2006-01-12 13:09:52 (199 views)

you should do a $$ per HP comparison that would be interesting to see - JoshD@S4.org 2006-01-12 13:09:19 (236 views)

well i think ill go kill myself now. - Cypher2k 2006-01-11 18:43:14 (272 views)

Well done Mark!!!! I have a 993tt that has 502whp and 504tq on that same mustang dyno and...... - marin 993tt 2006-01-11 17:54:38 (578 views)

When are you coming back? R32 turbo still barely owns you on the dyno. =) - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-12 09:30:17 (376 views)

You may really own me now that I have full muffers.... - marin 993tt 2006-01-12 11:26:49 (336 views)

502whp on a 993tt? damn. whats the 0-60 and 1/4mile on that - S4Fish 2006-01-11 18:10:32 (351 views)

One and only pass at the drags 12.18 ET, 2.3 60' and 123mph - marin 993tt 2006-01-12 11:28:47 (273 views)

lol@2.3 60' - cwh 2006-01-12 12:24:39 (230 views)

Somethings likely messy on the launches. My '70 Challenger ran 12.23s at the same mph - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-12 12:59:41 (255 views)

Yeah its pretty sad. The second time on the line I tried to really launch and the clutch smoked.... - marin 993tt 2006-01-12 12:27:27 (274 views)

yeah, you'd easily see mid 11's if you hit the launch and all shifts right. - cwh 2006-01-12 12:44:22 (249 views)

Fast enough? - Tgr_Clw (Milltek'ed) 2006-01-11 19:13:28 (225 views)

So finally us East coast pricks get lucky-how much for install? Congrats Mark! - S4andTLS 2006-01-11 16:28:51 (252 views)

. . . - Andrew C. 2006-01-11 16:30:33 (368 views)

I'll go ahead and ask for BigBlue: how much weight does this kit add? ;-) - dano-oly 2006-01-11 16:05:06 (298 views)

BUDDHA!!! I got all excited until I saw the price, damn kit is worth more than my car :P - Chaka 2006-01-11 15:44:05 (316 views)

WOW....congrats Mark....wish i had the money for this....by the way this thread is damn long...=P - doo - NYC_SpeedRacer 2006-01-11 15:22:47 (227 views)

Freakin' awesome Mark! - Alex (lil' is 300) 2006-01-11 15:02:13 (223 views)

Will it mount up to the RS4 engine? - FixedWing 2006-01-11 15:00:11 (271 views)

Bar none: THEE turbo kit to buy if you want a monster-hp B5 S4 - ILLusive 2006-01-11 14:55:42 (357 views)

Ok, so now the turbos won't blow, but the entire engine will. S4-Anxiety^eleventybillion!!111!!!1 - VandyS4 2006-01-11 14:34:30 (354 views)

Ha ha. - Tgr_Clw (Milltek'ed) 2006-01-11 19:14:11 (270 views)

kimchee was here - NO.KIMCHEE 2006-01-11 14:33:26 (215 views)

congrats mark! this is a huge opening to an even huger S4 era. Knew the wait would be worth it - S4Fish 2006-01-11 13:49:03 (222 views)

1000 times congrats! It's refresing news for the B5 S4 community! - Chuck-S4 2006-01-11 13:18:32 (303 views)

This is a great development for the S4 Mark.... - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 13:11:42 (280 views)

I hope you sell strong clutches with that kit! - generic::cbp 2006-01-11 13:01:52 (257 views)

Will, go ahead and get your order in... might as well have all the S4s apart at once =-) - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 16:31:38 (208 views)

we can find you a clutch to work with this kit.... Will, don't worry - Zold-manS4 2006-01-11 14:49:42 (232 views)

/\/\/\ :-) - rickyS4 2006-01-11 13:17:53 (208 views)

Congrats Mark! It looks *extremely* well done. Good price for what you get too. - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 13:00:37 (256 views)

Standing ovation ! - SchagenWagen 2006-01-11 12:56:50 (224 views)

That's very impressive... kudos to you, sir! *edited* - InFlux 2006-01-11 12:56:42 (249 views)

????$$$13K???? - nealglobalauto 2006-01-11 12:56:33 (453 views)

75% value of a dented, rusted, 400k mile, no engine, sitting on cinder blocks S4 *maybe* - O.W. Kenobi 2006-01-11 14:12:45 (321 views)

Mine was US$12K. :-p - FixedWing 2006-01-11 14:34:45 (277 views)

TJ: what suspension and ride height do you run in the wintar? - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-13 05:30:14 (307 views)

It sure sounds like a lot, but...... - B5QShip 2006-01-11 13:13:47 (335 views)

AND THEN THERE WAS STAGE 4 !!!!!!!! - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 12:49:09 (433 views)

My thoughts exactly - "A REAL Stage 4" - Zold-manS4 2006-01-11 13:11:17 (319 views)

Yes - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 13:25:32 (251 views)

Mark, do you have any actual dyno charts you care to share? You can call if you like. - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-11 12:07:16 (289 views)

J...don't be lazy, sir....scroll down an ye shall findeth thee chart! ;-) Hows the monster R? - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:15:06 (282 views)

That isn't an actual chart from a Mustang AWD-500 that I see. - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-11 15:06:01 (338 views)

this one? - Andrew C. 2006-01-11 15:26:52 (664 views)

Didn't see that one, saw the other Pchopped one on the ASP site. Thanks! - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-11 16:27:20 (218 views)

Any tests done to the engine, before install? Will you do it for any mileage engine? - yetis 2006-01-11 12:04:36 (282 views)

Biggest post of 2006...and probably greatest acheivment!! GREAT JOB and congrats MARK....I'm gettin - BASELINE 2006-01-11 11:50:08 (376 views)

Kudos to Tony Chick, Dave and Mark too!!!!!!! Never knew you guys were such whores. :-P - BASELINE 2006-01-11 11:52:27 (269 views)

Huge congrats sir.. You have come a long way and your skill and eye for detail - Milpitas2.7T 2006-01-11 11:22:36 (289 views)

where does the line start again? :p - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 11:25:25 (265 views)

Behind my cute Cactus arse! - Milpitas2.7T 2006-01-11 17:12:24 (222 views)

Congrats to you, Mark, and everyone else involved. This looks to be a very impressive kit. - PiggieSmalls 2006-01-11 10:55:27 (488 views)

we all have decided how comperable FATS times are (they aren't). but your point stands... - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 11:07:05 (861 views)

What? 2.9-3.0 Fats.... should be MUCH faster then that... - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 10:56:46 (298 views)

Based on the WHP curve posted in on the Autospeed web site the FATS time should be about 2.81 sec. - rktskicar 2006-01-11 18:54:25 (303 views)

thats in 4th gear. not 3rd. that changes things a whooooole bunch - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 18:56:59 (231 views)

WHP is WHP. Dynos are made to measure power at the wheels. The car does not put out anymore power - rktskicar 2006-01-11 19:01:54 (987 views)

n/m, i missed the fact you were converting that way. - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 18:58:57 (240 views)

My point exactly. I was SUPER happy and so proud of Mark until I saw this post.... - PiggieSmalls 2006-01-11 10:59:51 (565 views)

I thought about that too, but correct me if I'm wrong. And I probably am, but... - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 12:15:14 (357 views)

I looked at the compressor maps of the GT25R - [badmoonrising] 2006-01-11 12:35:09 (642 views)

Just a quick question: What makes you believe that GT turbos are more reliable? - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 13:45:11 (322 views)

The thrust loading involved when running high boost makes ball bearing turbos ideal.... - marin 993tt 2006-01-11 17:58:54 (321 views)

now now....lets not get into this discussion ;) - Imolavirus:Infected 2006-01-11 18:02:54 (269 views)

A lot of ppl with Skylines, Supras, RX7s run GT series turbos... - hadokenny 2006-01-11 13:52:28 (371 views)

2nd. - AJN334 2006-01-11 13:35:05 (211 views)

i thought compressor maps used absolute pressure.. ? - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 12:50:27 (238 views)

they do, so its out of the map but depending of the flow it might still be pretty efficient - smurfbus4 2006-01-11 22:59:40 (187 views)

I'd like to see the #s on that same dyno for one of the well setup hybrid cars. - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 12:01:50 (273 views)

Your answer for K04/K24... - Chuck-S4 2006-01-11 12:55:32 (455 views)

I doubt it on the area under the curve, but we'll see. I'd love to see your car run on the same - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 12:59:23 (290 views)

One thing is for sure, I won't upgrade to GT25r as I got similar results with K24s. - Chuck-S4 2006-01-11 13:11:43 (369 views)

Agreed. The GT setup is very, very nice though. Mark always does some nice, innovative work. - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 13:16:01 (239 views)

i'm likely going with the GT setup with the following in mind... - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 13:27:21 (368 views)

That's the way to think about it. ;-) For me I'd play around some though in terms of - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 14:00:02 (321 views)

ill probably run it off the shelf for a bit - then i'll start digging into the heads and motor :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 15:41:24 (257 views)

Cams....needs cams..... - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 17:00:15 (258 views)

oh yeah, i still owe you an email about those :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 17:44:32 (208 views)

F**k FATS times, way too many variables to compare, let's just line them up in 3rd gear. - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 11:17:41 (328 views)

just curious, where does your + come from? - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 11:48:29 (247 views)

hybrids, heads, headers, cams, etc.... - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 12:47:03 (257 views)

sounds +-worthy to me. - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 12:51:41 (226 views)

extra drop of retcin? - [badmoonrising] 2006-01-11 11:53:51 (282 views)

oooh, smells minty - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 12:39:41 (248 views)

Hopefully Marc will post some logs or run them through Nye's FATS calc. - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 11:06:31 (282 views)

I'm sure it was with two persons on the car plus uphill - smurfbus4 2006-01-11 11:03:36 (236 views)

Dayumn....makes me wanna buy another S4 back in NJ and drive it to ASP....incredible job Mark!! - EvilEmpirE::WMS 2006-01-11 10:50:30 (286 views)

hmmm the link took me to the homepage of ASP...but i dont see any info on the kit - hadokenny 2006-01-11 10:48:48 (292 views)

Are you serious? It's right there smack in the middle of their webpage. - Pearl of the Orient 2006-01-11 10:50:04 (384 views)

Weird...I still cant find the link on the frontpage. I must be blind. Thanks for the link! - hadokenny 2006-01-11 10:53:39 (287 views)

clear your intraweb cache? - Andrew C. 2006-01-11 13:42:23 (263 views)

on the intarweb, links can be in pictures..i.e. click on the "project" picture on the home page. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-11 11:05:23 (269 views)

PLEASE WAIT TWO MORE WEEKS :) - Noose 2006-01-11 10:47:28 (262 views)

Mark, I'm sure you've run a Stage 3 car from a roll, care - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 10:43:20 (433 views)

As I am sure everyone is curious of the results including me, I don't think it very wise... - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 11:17:06 (509 views)

You don't necessarily represent ASP by yourself, you know...it *IS* your car, and... - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 12:20:54 (316 views)

but then if someone starts first, etc - I'm more in favor of multi-cars on same dyno - Mark P 2006-01-11 12:24:30 (336 views)

that's why there is video. But if the GT25 car complains about a slight jump - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 12:43:11 (359 views)

Agreed. That would work just as well. That FATS seems slow for that power, though... - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 12:30:29 (250 views)

You'd be suprised. Most of the mags are tired of all S4 or S4 dominated shootouts - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 11:53:07 (350 views)

Maybe Autospeed needs to shoot for the Car and Driver shootout instead of the others.... - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 12:26:02 (313 views)

C&D does not typically include out of production cars. - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 12:28:02 (218 views)

I understand. But I assume you would be driving your car, correct? - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 11:20:58 (291 views)

congrats from this side of the pond too. hows your timing correction with 93 at torque peek? - smurfbus4 2006-01-11 10:35:33 (288 views)

WOW! :-o Congrats Mark! Can't wait to see the beast at EPL. - Dr. Jekyll 2006-01-11 10:26:59 (296 views)

epl this weekend? - cwh 2006-01-11 10:27:35 (270 views)

Yes sir :-) - Dr. Jekyll 2006-01-11 12:19:21 (225 views)

Outstanding...congratulations, Mark. Looking forward to meeting you at ELP on Saturday. - Stiller-Blitz 2006-01-11 10:26:50 (252 views)

sig looks familiar... who are you? YGM - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:59:28 (247 views)

Nasty. - SilkenRocket 2006-01-11 10:24:38 (233 views)

Brutal! Congrats to everyone involved. - Verr?ckt 2006-01-11 10:15:50 (280 views)

What's the boost profile like? What boost at what RPM? - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 10:15:47 (249 views)

Mark? Boost? What does the curve look like? I'm sure everyone would like to know... - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 11:19:44 (234 views)

Congrats Mark , you must be tired ;p - SIMPPLY @ WMS 2006-01-11 10:00:42 (277 views)

Nope, just scratching the surface, working on my motor today! Expect big numbers =) - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:02:01 (292 views)

we should meet one day and run these bad boys : ) - SIMPPLY @ WMS 2006-01-11 10:03:50 (285 views)

.................... - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 10:11:21 (588 views)

We'll see what the challenge schedules look like for the year, need to work on my base tan =) - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:06:16 (272 views)

How much will installation be? - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 09:56:40 (274 views)

see here... - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:01:03 (654 views)

That's not too bad. Wish I could afford it =*(***** - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 10:05:23 (322 views)

Any FATS runs/numbers available? - wagongotya 2006-01-11 09:29:48 (267 views)

It is in the 2.9x~3.0x range - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:39:40 (493 views)

That's fast, but I expected lower given the dyno... - S4tranquility 2006-01-11 10:59:36 (257 views)

also FATS+ was thought up to help compare a broader range which likely applies better here - Mark P 2006-01-11 11:18:33 (231 views)

The fats time is from the dyno. While logging the pulls, perhaps its time to do a few on the street - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 13:11:08 (238 views)

No wonder! It will do WAY better on the street IMHO. I knew summin was wrong... - RAD69 2006-01-12 06:35:15 (215 views)

See, I knew there was something fishy about those times. I look foward to seeing street times. :) - PiggieSmalls 2006-01-11 13:36:41 (259 views)

oh..2.8-3.0 sec in 4-th :o lol..that's what.. a possible 1.5 in 3-rd?j/k ; maybe2.3-2.5.. - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 13:41:26 (246 views)

:-O - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 13:28:58 (212 views)

Doh! For sure do them on the street; you may be pleasantly surprised. ;-) - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 13:14:47 (215 views)

Mark, what do you think the output would be on 91? Just a guess. Do you think - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 09:49:34 (312 views)

2nd that, what kind of #'s can be expected with craptane. I'm fairly skeptical about announcements - JBear::FATS 2006-01-11 14:52:46 (230 views)

wow - that is a lot of power. I'd love to see that car do a friendly highway run with an "out of... - JasonS4 2006-01-11 09:25:29 (388 views)

<Strongbad> Holy Crap! </Strongbad> Is that the sound of K04s being sold I hear? - Racked 2006-01-11 09:18:52 (260 views)

Great work Mark!!! Im looking forward to working together in the future! - nerdhotrod 2006-01-11 09:14:40 (266 views)

HAHA.....dude...I didn't think I'd ever see that handle again. Great work Tony!! See ya this WE. - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:47:49 (215 views)

8) I guess this car will test the limits of the internals. is there a number that people feel - Silver Streakin' 2006-01-11 09:14:21 (357 views)

Time will tell, but from looking at the logs, the car didn't seem stressed at all. - DAP 2006-01-11 09:25:11 (275 views)

are you implying one can see deformed rods/bearings/gaskets from VAG logs? - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:57:42 (234 views)

My concerns, too: - t.arrows 2006-01-11 13:09:16 (274 views)

No, but you can hear them with your ear logs :-) - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 12:44:07 (213 views)

obviously you wouldnt see an X-ray of your motor in a VAG log, but i guarantee any of the problems - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 11:24:51 (277 views)

Thats the "time will tell" part. Just saying that all of the data registered on the ECU's sensors - DAP 2006-01-11 11:21:16 (277 views)

way out of my price range, but congrats to you Mark. Serious advancement... - NigelS4 2006-01-11 09:13:16 (257 views)

Amazing work, Mark! - DAP 2006-01-11 09:04:06 (327 views)

this is very cool. many congrats on getting this complete. cant wait to see some real world data - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 09:02:37 (357 views)

Nice work. If you're receptive to marketing suggestions, it would be helpful - O.W. Kenobi 2006-01-11 09:01:42 (394 views)

Big 2nd on that one, and please make it from the same dyno. Apparently the base run in your graph - t.arrows 2006-01-11 09:52:11 (325 views)

Stock base run was done at EPL last night. Give them some time to crunch the numbers - Ski05751 2006-01-11 12:25:45 (238 views)

Holy mother of god <jaw drops> - B5QShip 2006-01-11 08:57:45 (268 views)

so, who is taking this thing to a stip? hehe. someone had to ask. - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:56:21 (600 views)

thats awesome! - Nasti00S4 2006-01-11 08:55:28 (249 views)

Looking good Mark, makes me want to pick up another S4. Any chance you can post the actual mustang - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 08:50:40 (333 views)

Note on graph and dyno software. - nerdhotrod 2006-01-11 09:24:53 (363 views)

Good to know. Wonder if current Mustang owners have an upgrade path for the new - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 10:08:15 (275 views)

Hey Brian here's one of many, still have the golf? - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:01:26 (620 views)

love it that you took the dyno all the way up to 7K...really puts the power charact. into perspectiv - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:08:06 (233 views)

Very nice! Nah golf is long-gone... Driving the A6 now but looking to get rid of that ASAP as well. - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 09:03:16 (310 views)

TJ: Hey Brian, if you have a sec sometime could you shoot me impressions on the A6 as a car overall? - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 09:22:45 (279 views)

Sure. As a daily driver I have not had a better car. The motor is great, plenty of torque. Drives - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 10:06:08 (319 views)

Thanks man, appreciate the comments. - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 16:44:52 (220 views)

Headgaskets and headbolts in the parts list? Heads have to be pulled? - t.arrows 2006-01-11 08:48:33 (379 views)

Hello Ted, stock cr, just to freshen the head/block mating and improve overall seal for the boost. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:48:46 (290 views)

Nice! Can you estimate install time on the whole kit? Can anyone do the install or only ASP? - t.arrows 2006-01-11 09:53:58 (280 views)

At this time only installed at ASP for $3000 incl. tbelt, clutch labor and fine tune. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:58:21 (643 views)

How long would you need the car to do the install? ~1 week? - CoolHandNuke 2006-01-11 10:12:25 (292 views)

Assuming all parts are in stock, yes 1-2 weeks maximum - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:16:44 (312 views)

That's kind of tough for us west coasters. I don't see why it would be THAT difficult. Except - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 10:08:38 (322 views)

No not difficult if you have the tools and aptitude, but the reality is we do not want anything... - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:12:51 (449 views)

Understood...guess there may have to be a waiting period. Being it could get expensive - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 10:21:07 (295 views)

That's quite reasonable. - reefer_bob 2006-01-11 10:19:37 (260 views)

Yeah...you'd ONLY be able to watch! No touchy the car! - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 10:22:59 (254 views)

;) I can't WAIT to do my car... - reefer_bob 2006-01-11 10:26:21 (248 views)

curve doesn't look smoothed over like most tuner's post. thats why its "shaky" - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:54:14 (277 views)

Ok, so Brand A was a run from a different dyno? Shouldn't they both be shaky if no smoothing is - t.arrows 2006-01-11 08:56:14 (281 views)

Brand A run was what another tuner publishes for their kit on the same model dyno - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:59:59 (325 views)

Read Mark's response to this below. - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:58:06 (355 views)

Indeed. And he already replied to the same question below. - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:55:58 (254 views)

Very, very, very nice - well put together info as well/always. Congrats! - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:46:57 (275 views)

mark can you take some pics this weekend? i would love to drive down... - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:50:01 (274 views)

always! - Mark P 2006-01-11 11:12:25 (224 views)

Good God! you can spin the earth with that! - The S 2006-01-11 08:44:25 (272 views)

LOL, after enough 1/4 mile runs you could reverse time and save Lois Lane! - BoneStockS4 2006-01-11 10:20:28 (331 views)

That's fast. - Tgr_Clw (Milltek'ed) 2006-01-11 08:44:09 (576 views)

WOW... - nobodeuno 2006-01-11 08:41:08 (331 views)

Umm ... wonder if I can get my car back from Alex now. - Rob O 2006-01-11 08:39:49 (349 views)

get another one, blown snails and go to town. i have a feeling alex has his own plans. >:-D - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:48:30 (252 views)

Heh. Yeah, I know all about his plans for MADWAGN ... - Rob O 2006-01-11 10:56:41 (266 views)

kid is always way ahead of me. his 90 used to blow my car off the road. now i'll never catch him - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 11:03:25 (237 views)

lol - Rob O 2006-01-11 14:55:39 (197 views)

Drool, the question is whether or not I can afford it - spartanS4 2006-01-11 08:36:14 (311 views)

who is brand A??? - Zold-manS4 2006-01-11 08:33:53 (310 views)

awe - phillys4951 2006-01-11 09:22:38 (284 views)

could be AMS, AWE, APR.... - JoshD@S4.org 2006-01-11 08:50:46 (326 views)

Lol, already looked, isn't APR but the "crayons" were out there as well =-) - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 09:24:06 (270 views)

that is completely bad ass....ugh i want an S4... - Justin517 2006-01-11 08:32:38 (334 views)

Nice Mark, Congrats. - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 08:29:19 (269 views)

HOLLY LONG power orgasm .. 2500 rpm of full ~500whp .. not just a tinny peak @ 7k - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 08:25:21 (408 views)

peak torque at 4900rpm, that's a long time to wait. - cwh 2006-01-11 08:24:24 (354 views)

lol.. but @ 3-3.5k rpm makes what ko4-s make ..and it's only ~1/2 way :O - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 08:30:49 (278 views)

Don't understand the K04 kit sees peak tq (330) at approx. 3800rpm, we are at 400ft-lbs @ 3800?? - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:30:16 (310 views)

the kit is amazing, but it's just way beyond what i need (at this time) - cwh 2006-01-11 08:58:27 (344 views)

its not for everyone....but still 500chp on pump with K04s is hardly going to be reliable. - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:11:52 (246 views)

The ride getting there is like no other and remember 653ftlbs!!!!! - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 08:28:26 (307 views)

So much for "Two Weeks". Congrats, Mark! - Pat-SoCal 2006-01-11 08:20:53 (364 views)

Thanks Pat, will be calling regarding some suspension ?'s soon. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:23:30 (269 views)

Excellent, I can't wait to help polish on an already outstanding project! - Pat-SoCal 2006-01-11 08:56:02 (253 views)

Nice!!! See you on the 14th. :-) - FixedWing 2006-01-11 08:18:17 (301 views)

THUMBS UP :) Why did it have to come after xmas? LOL :-) - rickyS4 2006-01-11 08:17:32 (259 views)

Congrats Mark!!!!!! Looks like an aweseom kit :) - Imolavirus:Infected 2006-01-11 08:16:57 (390 views)

Absolutely awesome :-) - AJN334 2006-01-11 08:16:24 (277 views)

The video dyno is nice. I'm reminded of a jet... <wets self> - S4tranquility 2006-01-11 08:16:11 (285 views)

Great numbers... - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 08:12:03 (334 views)

The curve is "shaky" because it is real, we do not publish the "crayon-esque" plots... - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:21:08 (459 views)

Here is a non "crayon-esque" plot from dynojet. The printouts from Mustangs are usually - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 09:00:20 (512 views)

Any tests on 91? For us Cali folks - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 08:11:22 (273 views)

You could always just move. - Fixn2xlr8 2006-01-11 08:14:54 (260 views)

I just may...but in 3-4 years...Denver, CO here I come! - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 09:19:43 (244 views)

<begins putting worldly possessions on Ebay> - CoolHandNuke 2006-01-11 08:11:21 (363 views)

<begins surfing ebay> - reefer_bob 2006-01-11 08:16:03 (277 views)

Start under Other Categories -> Adult -> Videos - CoolHandNuke 2006-01-11 08:18:13 (316 views)

then proceed to -->midgets -->weedeater-->beano.... - Toasty-Stg3::HCBP 2006-01-11 08:45:08 (295 views)

amazing work Mark, cant wait to get the kit on the Nogaro :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:08:36 (256 views)

yes sir. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:09:11 (274 views)

things look to be moving well, maybe i can up the target date to march-april :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:18:52 (254 views)

Group Buy! :D - Need4TTBoost 2006-01-11 08:06:54 (268 views)

Or at least an introductory pricing. ; ) - Pearl of the Orient 2006-01-11 08:39:12 (256 views)

(hint, hint) - rickyS4 2006-01-11 08:40:42 (261 views)

Woah! Do you get special seat belts with that? Congrats Mark, Nice work!! - RAD69 2006-01-11 08:06:49 (300 views)

Thanks Rob, still need to have you come down and tune your beast. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:08:46 (277 views)

lol - I was just about to email you that... ygm!!! - RAD69 2006-01-11 10:13:02 (318 views)

^^^^ - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 08:27:53 (254 views)

NNNIIICCCEEE!!! Me likey. - PKmode 2006-01-11 08:06:48 (278 views)

who needs k04s??????????????????????? - jwolf 2006-01-11 08:05:37 (293 views)

For those with Stage 3 set ups already... - KO4ed in Phoenix 2006-01-11 08:05:13 (572 views)

No manifolds and downpipes are required, this does NOT bolt up to OEM. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:08:01 (340 views)

Mark, will you sell the Software/Manifolds/Turbos as a slightly discounted rate for Stage 3ers? - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:20:28 (319 views)

JMO...but Autospeed has always offered the highest quality products for very reasonable... - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 08:45:00 (468 views)

Oh, I'm not saying that 13K is unreasonable. But . . . (more) - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:50:51 (409 views)

id imagine the injectors and MAF housing would be different on a stage 3 car unless you had ASP - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:56:04 (302 views)

That's a good point. Many of the pieces I mentioned are kit-specific. - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 09:00:09 (293 views)

agreed. - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:49:57 (244 views)

Mark told me he's only going to sell the kit complete... maybe he can chime in here... - Marcus Frost 2006-01-11 08:07:29 (283 views)

Which bring the next question. With DPs and cat back, can I knock 2k off the kit price? - Fixn2xlr8 2006-01-11 08:06:26 (271 views)

i think you'd need different DP's. - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:08:19 (269 views)

~500awhp on 93, very well done Mark... what about octane program switching - 93/100 ? - Marcus Frost 2006-01-11 08:03:50 (289 views)

holy mother of gawd!!! - wagongotya 2006-01-11 08:01:56 (269 views)

And it is smooooth! no herky jerky motion or turbo lag. - tristateS4 2006-01-11 08:00:22 (275 views)

**darth vader voice** "Immpresssive" - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 07:59:21 (319 views)

BAD ASS! - Toasty-Stg3::HCBP 2006-01-11 07:58:26 (316 views)

WOW, CONGRATS!!!!! - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 07:55:15 (292 views)

holy sheet! nice work! - Arcteryx 2006-01-11 07:54:39 (266 views)

omfg - S4tranquility 2006-01-11 07:53:59 (269 views)

492 whp, and 512 lb-ft of torque on 93? Nice, Mark! - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 07:53:07 (328 views)

What's that translate to at the crank? - MarkCore^TM 2006-01-11 08:01:00 (314 views)

630chp/653Tq - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:06:52 (290 views)

The price has MSRP after it .. You guys ARE the manufacturer so I don't think that's neccesary. =] - MarkCore^TM 2006-01-11 08:21:06 (300 views)

492/CHP = 100 - (100 * Drivetrain loss %) :-P - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:04:33 (283 views)

21.5% drivetrain loss I guess... - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:15:10 (269 views)

Looks like they're using the same 1.28x correction factor that AWE uses on the same model dyno - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:43:21 (284 views)

Mark. I don't think a set percentage should be used. The loss does not necessarily go up as HP - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 09:08:13 (316 views)

Loss MUST go up with power. It's basic Thermodynamics. - Verr?ckt 2006-01-11 10:14:47 (526 views)

No. It's still a discussion. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:46:11 (156 views)

yup, you are correct. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-12 06:19:46 (230 views)

sorry guys, verruckt is right. - nyet 2006-01-11 14:56:10 (288 views)

I have heard from many people (one a dyno operator) - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 23:13:32 (235 views)

Well, you can trust your dyno operator (who is wrong) or a powertrain systems engineer. :-P - Verr?ckt 2006-01-12 08:06:30 (243 views)

For the record, I never said it didn't change, I just said that it didn't change as much as the... - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:38:42 (178 views)

me = sucks at the physics..so I wont argue with you - KRS-S4 2006-01-12 09:55:45 (204 views)

its not linear, but its not a fixed amount either, nor is the 2nd order component's slope negative - nyet 2006-01-11 23:58:13 (294 views)

No I am not that stubborn.... - KRS-S4 2006-01-12 10:00:20 (217 views)

that is incorrect sir - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 13:49:40 (203 views)

Friction loss does not necessarily go up with power. What are you smoking? - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 12:01:39 (288 views)

think about a sliding block, basic mechanics. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-12 06:28:05 (237 views)

Listen. I have a master's in ME. I know this shiz. You aren't getting my point. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:34:35 (187 views)

i've reread this part of the thread... - ModifiedA4 2006-01-19 06:24:05 (192 views)

I went (go) to University of Washington. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-19 08:24:04 (200 views)

i went to RPI... - ModifiedA4 2006-01-19 09:55:49 (197 views)

I posted in this thread ;-) - Mark P 2006-01-19 20:42:17 (151 views)

ayup :) - ModifiedA4 2006-01-20 05:51:49 (153 views)

or two - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-19 19:57:44 (175 views)

heh, cool :) - ModifiedA4 2006-01-19 20:06:12 (162 views)

It's not so simple. - Verr?ckt 2006-01-11 18:42:47 (246 views)

unless it has better efficiency - rickyS4 2006-01-11 10:28:23 (281 views)

NO transmission has "better" efficency with more hp - nyet 2006-01-11 14:58:48 (249 views)

For every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction... - Marcus Frost 2006-01-11 09:59:41 (307 views)

Agreed, but we are comparing apples to apples with what is considered standard by most. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:13:25 (288 views)

I understand. Standard is standard. All I'm saying is that 28% is a little high for the car. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 13:35:44 (223 views)

it's not 28% ..... it's 21.5% drivetrain+dyno loss - Mark P 2006-01-11 13:44:45 (227 views)

Right, but I still think it's more like 580 CHP, not over 600. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 13:51:20 (211 views)

I don't want to say I told you so, but... - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:35:52 (191 views)

agreed, btw. I have NEVER seen any dyno (except for the maha) that represented whp accurately - nyet 2006-01-18 11:39:47 (213 views)

Good call... either way, damn impressive numbers. I want to head to the dyno soon. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:43:25 (180 views)

no, im pretty much done messing around. looks like thats all im going to get out of 91oct with this - nyet 2006-01-18 11:47:48 (196 views)

based on... what exactly? - nyet 2006-01-11 14:57:28 (250 views)

yeah, but who cares about crank! whp is/should be the only thing that matters :) - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 14:08:23 (213 views)

yup...if you look at it... 100% * (1/1.28) = 21.5%. same thing...i just like - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:47:26 (291 views)

I agree completely - I was just pointing out the # that might be familiar to others - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:57:29 (297 views)

ah ok. makes sense. - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 09:00:15 (274 views)

SON OF A BISH!!! - Fixn2xlr8 2006-01-11 07:52:25 (325 views)

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