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Posted by: nealglobalauto on 2006-01-11 12:56:33
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In Reply to: AutoSpeed GT25R2 Kit is Complete! posted by Mark@AutoSpeed on 2006-01-11 07:46:57

13K turbo kit, no intercoolers??? Thats 75% of the car retail value. Why so much? Aren't Garrett turbos supposed to be cheaper than KKK's? I know you have alot of money and developmental related costs, but I don't see included hardware & software to justify 13K: Fueling kit, turbos w/ manifolds, and downpipes.
Impressive numbers, great kit, Madd Props!
Interesting to see how ATP GT28 kit stacks up.

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Thread:

AutoSpeed GT25R2 Kit is Complete! - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 07:46:57 (10639 views)

For the record, it appears that the prototype vehicle is putting out 575 crank hp and 597 crank tq. - t.arrows 2006-01-17 17:05:34 (1109 views)

Wasn't that addressed here? - InFlux 2006-01-18 11:42:35 (423 views)

Complete as in done ? tuned ? 350ish TQ at 6800+ - notahaterbut 2006-01-14 11:31:33 (572 views)

Hahhaa.. I know who this is... - Todeshandler 2006-01-14 21:05:22 (415 views)

What would the forums be without some trolls =) - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-14 17:42:11 (325 views)

more like a Toad.... - Zold-manS4 2006-01-14 19:28:22 (244 views)

Seriously, what a joke...1 post. - [badmoonrising] 2006-01-14 19:21:52 (303 views)

Cost Comparison - Mark P 2006-01-12 13:05:43 (1808 views)

Thanks for that Mark, now calculate $/hp, DOH! - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-12 16:59:50 (345 views)

i did that here. - Andrew C. 2006-01-12 17:08:41 (355 views)

IF, you go from bone stock to stage III, looks like this isn't too out of whack. The issue, most... - JasonS4 2006-01-12 13:45:31 (592 views)

It's giving me crazy ideas... - Verr?ckt 2006-01-12 16:49:30 (462 views)

"Profit"? - Andrew C. 2006-01-13 08:43:35 (261 views)

I'm pretty sure it's a reference to a joke in South Park. - VandyS4 2006-01-13 12:36:36 (219 views)

are they still making new episodes of that show? used to watch it when i had a TV. - Andrew C. 2006-01-13 12:49:00 (202 views)

yep, and it's still hilarious. - VandyS4 2006-01-13 13:09:31 (183 views)

i need to rethink this TV thing! - Andrew C. 2006-01-13 15:51:05 (204 views)

. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-13 06:26:09 (234 views)

that is pretty funny you mention that - I was thinking the SAME thing when the kit came out... - JasonS4 2006-01-12 16:57:40 (281 views)

Eerh... if you love her, shouldn't she get the Garret kit in the Allroad? :-p - FixedWing 2006-01-12 16:52:03 (403 views)

Another way to look at it.. - Minnesoda_Phats 2006-01-12 13:16:22 (372 views)

both of you please stop. I am trying to not justify this. - $240 worth of puddin 2006-01-12 13:29:33 (283 views)

you're right. it should be - Andrew C. 2006-01-12 13:45:07 (355 views)

/\/\/\/\/\/\ here's the $$/hp that Josh asked about. - Andrew C. 2006-01-12 13:23:44 (302 views)

nicely presented. - mjtaylor 2006-01-12 13:09:52 (206 views)

you should do a $$ per HP comparison that would be interesting to see - JoshD@S4.org 2006-01-12 13:09:19 (244 views)

well i think ill go kill myself now. - Cypher2k 2006-01-11 18:43:14 (282 views)

Well done Mark!!!! I have a 993tt that has 502whp and 504tq on that same mustang dyno and...... - marin 993tt 2006-01-11 17:54:38 (590 views)

When are you coming back? R32 turbo still barely owns you on the dyno. =) - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-12 09:30:17 (386 views)

You may really own me now that I have full muffers.... - marin 993tt 2006-01-12 11:26:49 (348 views)

502whp on a 993tt? damn. whats the 0-60 and 1/4mile on that - S4Fish 2006-01-11 18:10:32 (360 views)

One and only pass at the drags 12.18 ET, 2.3 60' and 123mph - marin 993tt 2006-01-12 11:28:47 (283 views)

lol@2.3 60' - cwh 2006-01-12 12:24:39 (238 views)

Somethings likely messy on the launches. My '70 Challenger ran 12.23s at the same mph - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-12 12:59:41 (263 views)

Yeah its pretty sad. The second time on the line I tried to really launch and the clutch smoked.... - marin 993tt 2006-01-12 12:27:27 (283 views)

yeah, you'd easily see mid 11's if you hit the launch and all shifts right. - cwh 2006-01-12 12:44:22 (257 views)

Fast enough? - Tgr_Clw (Milltek'ed) 2006-01-11 19:13:28 (232 views)

So finally us East coast pricks get lucky-how much for install? Congrats Mark! - S4andTLS 2006-01-11 16:28:51 (262 views)

. . . - Andrew C. 2006-01-11 16:30:33 (383 views)

I'll go ahead and ask for BigBlue: how much weight does this kit add? ;-) - dano-oly 2006-01-11 16:05:06 (306 views)

BUDDHA!!! I got all excited until I saw the price, damn kit is worth more than my car :P - Chaka 2006-01-11 15:44:05 (325 views)

WOW....congrats Mark....wish i had the money for this....by the way this thread is damn long...=P - doo - NYC_SpeedRacer 2006-01-11 15:22:47 (234 views)

Freakin' awesome Mark! - Alex (lil' is 300) 2006-01-11 15:02:13 (230 views)

Will it mount up to the RS4 engine? - FixedWing 2006-01-11 15:00:11 (280 views)

Bar none: THEE turbo kit to buy if you want a monster-hp B5 S4 - ILLusive 2006-01-11 14:55:42 (365 views)

Ok, so now the turbos won't blow, but the entire engine will. S4-Anxiety^eleventybillion!!111!!!1 - VandyS4 2006-01-11 14:34:30 (363 views)

Ha ha. - Tgr_Clw (Milltek'ed) 2006-01-11 19:14:11 (279 views)

kimchee was here - NO.KIMCHEE 2006-01-11 14:33:26 (224 views)

congrats mark! this is a huge opening to an even huger S4 era. Knew the wait would be worth it - S4Fish 2006-01-11 13:49:03 (228 views)

1000 times congrats! It's refresing news for the B5 S4 community! - Chuck-S4 2006-01-11 13:18:32 (316 views)

This is a great development for the S4 Mark.... - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 13:11:42 (289 views)

I hope you sell strong clutches with that kit! - generic::cbp 2006-01-11 13:01:52 (272 views)

Will, go ahead and get your order in... might as well have all the S4s apart at once =-) - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 16:31:38 (217 views)

we can find you a clutch to work with this kit.... Will, don't worry - Zold-manS4 2006-01-11 14:49:42 (241 views)

/\/\/\ :-) - rickyS4 2006-01-11 13:17:53 (216 views)

Congrats Mark! It looks *extremely* well done. Good price for what you get too. - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 13:00:37 (264 views)

Standing ovation ! - SchagenWagen 2006-01-11 12:56:50 (232 views)

That's very impressive... kudos to you, sir! *edited* - InFlux 2006-01-11 12:56:42 (258 views)

????$$$13K???? - nealglobalauto 2006-01-11 12:56:33 (464 views)

75% value of a dented, rusted, 400k mile, no engine, sitting on cinder blocks S4 *maybe* - O.W. Kenobi 2006-01-11 14:12:45 (330 views)

Mine was US$12K. :-p - FixedWing 2006-01-11 14:34:45 (285 views)

TJ: what suspension and ride height do you run in the wintar? - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-13 05:30:14 (315 views)

It sure sounds like a lot, but...... - B5QShip 2006-01-11 13:13:47 (346 views)

AND THEN THERE WAS STAGE 4 !!!!!!!! - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 12:49:09 (440 views)

My thoughts exactly - "A REAL Stage 4" - Zold-manS4 2006-01-11 13:11:17 (327 views)

Yes - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 13:25:32 (266 views)

Mark, do you have any actual dyno charts you care to share? You can call if you like. - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-11 12:07:16 (297 views)

J...don't be lazy, sir....scroll down an ye shall findeth thee chart! ;-) Hows the monster R? - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:15:06 (296 views)

That isn't an actual chart from a Mustang AWD-500 that I see. - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-11 15:06:01 (347 views)

this one? - Andrew C. 2006-01-11 15:26:52 (674 views)

Didn't see that one, saw the other Pchopped one on the ASP site. Thanks! - Jason @ Streetwerke 2006-01-11 16:27:20 (227 views)

Any tests done to the engine, before install? Will you do it for any mileage engine? - yetis 2006-01-11 12:04:36 (292 views)

Biggest post of 2006...and probably greatest acheivment!! GREAT JOB and congrats MARK....I'm gettin - BASELINE 2006-01-11 11:50:08 (387 views)

Kudos to Tony Chick, Dave and Mark too!!!!!!! Never knew you guys were such whores. :-P - BASELINE 2006-01-11 11:52:27 (279 views)

Huge congrats sir.. You have come a long way and your skill and eye for detail - Milpitas2.7T 2006-01-11 11:22:36 (295 views)

where does the line start again? :p - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 11:25:25 (280 views)

Behind my cute Cactus arse! - Milpitas2.7T 2006-01-11 17:12:24 (230 views)

Congrats to you, Mark, and everyone else involved. This looks to be a very impressive kit. - PiggieSmalls 2006-01-11 10:55:27 (504 views)

we all have decided how comperable FATS times are (they aren't). but your point stands... - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 11:07:05 (882 views)

What? 2.9-3.0 Fats.... should be MUCH faster then that... - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 10:56:46 (306 views)

Based on the WHP curve posted in on the Autospeed web site the FATS time should be about 2.81 sec. - rktskicar 2006-01-11 18:54:25 (311 views)

thats in 4th gear. not 3rd. that changes things a whooooole bunch - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 18:56:59 (239 views)

WHP is WHP. Dynos are made to measure power at the wheels. The car does not put out anymore power - rktskicar 2006-01-11 19:01:54 (1054 views)

n/m, i missed the fact you were converting that way. - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 18:58:57 (248 views)

My point exactly. I was SUPER happy and so proud of Mark until I saw this post.... - PiggieSmalls 2006-01-11 10:59:51 (573 views)

I thought about that too, but correct me if I'm wrong. And I probably am, but... - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 12:15:14 (366 views)

I looked at the compressor maps of the GT25R - [badmoonrising] 2006-01-11 12:35:09 (651 views)

Just a quick question: What makes you believe that GT turbos are more reliable? - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 13:45:11 (335 views)

The thrust loading involved when running high boost makes ball bearing turbos ideal.... - marin 993tt 2006-01-11 17:58:54 (329 views)

now now....lets not get into this discussion ;) - Imolavirus:Infected 2006-01-11 18:02:54 (278 views)

A lot of ppl with Skylines, Supras, RX7s run GT series turbos... - hadokenny 2006-01-11 13:52:28 (379 views)

2nd. - AJN334 2006-01-11 13:35:05 (218 views)

i thought compressor maps used absolute pressure.. ? - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 12:50:27 (247 views)

they do, so its out of the map but depending of the flow it might still be pretty efficient - smurfbus4 2006-01-11 22:59:40 (195 views)

I'd like to see the #s on that same dyno for one of the well setup hybrid cars. - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 12:01:50 (286 views)

Your answer for K04/K24... - Chuck-S4 2006-01-11 12:55:32 (461 views)

I doubt it on the area under the curve, but we'll see. I'd love to see your car run on the same - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 12:59:23 (298 views)

One thing is for sure, I won't upgrade to GT25r as I got similar results with K24s. - Chuck-S4 2006-01-11 13:11:43 (377 views)

Agreed. The GT setup is very, very nice though. Mark always does some nice, innovative work. - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 13:16:01 (247 views)

i'm likely going with the GT setup with the following in mind... - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 13:27:21 (376 views)

That's the way to think about it. ;-) For me I'd play around some though in terms of - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 14:00:02 (329 views)

ill probably run it off the shelf for a bit - then i'll start digging into the heads and motor :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 15:41:24 (264 views)

Cams....needs cams..... - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 17:00:15 (266 views)

oh yeah, i still owe you an email about those :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 17:44:32 (216 views)

F**k FATS times, way too many variables to compare, let's just line them up in 3rd gear. - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 11:17:41 (335 views)

just curious, where does your + come from? - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 11:48:29 (254 views)

hybrids, heads, headers, cams, etc.... - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 12:47:03 (265 views)

sounds +-worthy to me. - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 12:51:41 (239 views)

extra drop of retcin? - [badmoonrising] 2006-01-11 11:53:51 (291 views)

oooh, smells minty - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 12:39:41 (257 views)

Hopefully Marc will post some logs or run them through Nye's FATS calc. - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 11:06:31 (290 views)

I'm sure it was with two persons on the car plus uphill - smurfbus4 2006-01-11 11:03:36 (245 views)

Dayumn....makes me wanna buy another S4 back in NJ and drive it to ASP....incredible job Mark!! - EvilEmpirE::WMS 2006-01-11 10:50:30 (300 views)

hmmm the link took me to the homepage of ASP...but i dont see any info on the kit - hadokenny 2006-01-11 10:48:48 (300 views)

Are you serious? It's right there smack in the middle of their webpage. - Pearl of the Orient 2006-01-11 10:50:04 (397 views)

Weird...I still cant find the link on the frontpage. I must be blind. Thanks for the link! - hadokenny 2006-01-11 10:53:39 (296 views)

clear your intraweb cache? - Andrew C. 2006-01-11 13:42:23 (271 views)

on the intarweb, links can be in pictures..i.e. click on the "project" picture on the home page. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-11 11:05:23 (284 views)

PLEASE WAIT TWO MORE WEEKS :) - Noose 2006-01-11 10:47:28 (269 views)

Mark, I'm sure you've run a Stage 3 car from a roll, care - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 10:43:20 (441 views)

As I am sure everyone is curious of the results including me, I don't think it very wise... - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 11:17:06 (518 views)

You don't necessarily represent ASP by yourself, you know...it *IS* your car, and... - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 12:20:54 (323 views)

but then if someone starts first, etc - I'm more in favor of multi-cars on same dyno - Mark P 2006-01-11 12:24:30 (343 views)

that's why there is video. But if the GT25 car complains about a slight jump - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 12:43:11 (367 views)

Agreed. That would work just as well. That FATS seems slow for that power, though... - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 12:30:29 (263 views)

You'd be suprised. Most of the mags are tired of all S4 or S4 dominated shootouts - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 11:53:07 (357 views)

Maybe Autospeed needs to shoot for the Car and Driver shootout instead of the others.... - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 12:26:02 (321 views)

C&D does not typically include out of production cars. - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 12:28:02 (226 views)

I understand. But I assume you would be driving your car, correct? - ohioko4s4 2006-01-11 11:20:58 (299 views)

congrats from this side of the pond too. hows your timing correction with 93 at torque peek? - smurfbus4 2006-01-11 10:35:33 (301 views)

WOW! :-o Congrats Mark! Can't wait to see the beast at EPL. - Dr. Jekyll 2006-01-11 10:26:59 (304 views)

epl this weekend? - cwh 2006-01-11 10:27:35 (278 views)

Yes sir :-) - Dr. Jekyll 2006-01-11 12:19:21 (233 views)

Outstanding...congratulations, Mark. Looking forward to meeting you at ELP on Saturday. - Stiller-Blitz 2006-01-11 10:26:50 (259 views)

sig looks familiar... who are you? YGM - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:59:28 (255 views)

Nasty. - SilkenRocket 2006-01-11 10:24:38 (241 views)

Brutal! Congrats to everyone involved. - Verr?ckt 2006-01-11 10:15:50 (289 views)

What's the boost profile like? What boost at what RPM? - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 10:15:47 (257 views)

Mark? Boost? What does the curve look like? I'm sure everyone would like to know... - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 11:19:44 (242 views)

Congrats Mark , you must be tired ;p - SIMPPLY @ WMS 2006-01-11 10:00:42 (285 views)

Nope, just scratching the surface, working on my motor today! Expect big numbers =) - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:02:01 (300 views)

we should meet one day and run these bad boys : ) - SIMPPLY @ WMS 2006-01-11 10:03:50 (292 views)

.................... - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 10:11:21 (595 views)

We'll see what the challenge schedules look like for the year, need to work on my base tan =) - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:06:16 (278 views)

How much will installation be? - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 09:56:40 (281 views)

see here... - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:01:03 (663 views)

That's not too bad. Wish I could afford it =*(***** - box_of_partS4 2006-01-11 10:05:23 (337 views)

Any FATS runs/numbers available? - wagongotya 2006-01-11 09:29:48 (276 views)

It is in the 2.9x~3.0x range - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:39:40 (501 views)

That's fast, but I expected lower given the dyno... - S4tranquility 2006-01-11 10:59:36 (270 views)

also FATS+ was thought up to help compare a broader range which likely applies better here - Mark P 2006-01-11 11:18:33 (239 views)

The fats time is from the dyno. While logging the pulls, perhaps its time to do a few on the street - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 13:11:08 (247 views)

No wonder! It will do WAY better on the street IMHO. I knew summin was wrong... - RAD69 2006-01-12 06:35:15 (223 views)

See, I knew there was something fishy about those times. I look foward to seeing street times. :) - PiggieSmalls 2006-01-11 13:36:41 (272 views)

oh..2.8-3.0 sec in 4-th :o lol..that's what.. a possible 1.5 in 3-rd?j/k ; maybe2.3-2.5.. - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 13:41:26 (252 views)

:-O - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 13:28:58 (219 views)

Doh! For sure do them on the street; you may be pleasantly surprised. ;-) - FunkWeasel 2006-01-11 13:14:47 (223 views)

Mark, what do you think the output would be on 91? Just a guess. Do you think - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 09:49:34 (321 views)

2nd that, what kind of #'s can be expected with craptane. I'm fairly skeptical about announcements - JBear::FATS 2006-01-11 14:52:46 (238 views)

wow - that is a lot of power. I'd love to see that car do a friendly highway run with an "out of... - JasonS4 2006-01-11 09:25:29 (402 views)

<Strongbad> Holy Crap! </Strongbad> Is that the sound of K04s being sold I hear? - Racked 2006-01-11 09:18:52 (268 views)

Great work Mark!!! Im looking forward to working together in the future! - nerdhotrod 2006-01-11 09:14:40 (274 views)

HAHA.....dude...I didn't think I'd ever see that handle again. Great work Tony!! See ya this WE. - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:47:49 (222 views)

8) I guess this car will test the limits of the internals. is there a number that people feel - Silver Streakin' 2006-01-11 09:14:21 (365 views)

Time will tell, but from looking at the logs, the car didn't seem stressed at all. - DAP 2006-01-11 09:25:11 (281 views)

are you implying one can see deformed rods/bearings/gaskets from VAG logs? - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:57:42 (241 views)

My concerns, too: - t.arrows 2006-01-11 13:09:16 (288 views)

No, but you can hear them with your ear logs :-) - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 12:44:07 (219 views)

obviously you wouldnt see an X-ray of your motor in a VAG log, but i guarantee any of the problems - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 11:24:51 (284 views)

Thats the "time will tell" part. Just saying that all of the data registered on the ECU's sensors - DAP 2006-01-11 11:21:16 (285 views)

way out of my price range, but congrats to you Mark. Serious advancement... - NigelS4 2006-01-11 09:13:16 (263 views)

Amazing work, Mark! - DAP 2006-01-11 09:04:06 (335 views)

this is very cool. many congrats on getting this complete. cant wait to see some real world data - BUFFALONOGAROpebFATS 2006-01-11 09:02:37 (365 views)

Nice work. If you're receptive to marketing suggestions, it would be helpful - O.W. Kenobi 2006-01-11 09:01:42 (400 views)

Big 2nd on that one, and please make it from the same dyno. Apparently the base run in your graph - t.arrows 2006-01-11 09:52:11 (336 views)

Stock base run was done at EPL last night. Give them some time to crunch the numbers - Ski05751 2006-01-11 12:25:45 (244 views)

Holy mother of god <jaw drops> - B5QShip 2006-01-11 08:57:45 (279 views)

so, who is taking this thing to a stip? hehe. someone had to ask. - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:56:21 (614 views)

thats awesome! - Nasti00S4 2006-01-11 08:55:28 (256 views)

Looking good Mark, makes me want to pick up another S4. Any chance you can post the actual mustang - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 08:50:40 (340 views)

Note on graph and dyno software. - nerdhotrod 2006-01-11 09:24:53 (376 views)

Good to know. Wonder if current Mustang owners have an upgrade path for the new - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 10:08:15 (282 views)

Hey Brian here's one of many, still have the golf? - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:01:26 (632 views)

love it that you took the dyno all the way up to 7K...really puts the power charact. into perspectiv - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:08:06 (242 views)

Very nice! Nah golf is long-gone... Driving the A6 now but looking to get rid of that ASAP as well. - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 09:03:16 (318 views)

TJ: Hey Brian, if you have a sec sometime could you shoot me impressions on the A6 as a car overall? - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 09:22:45 (287 views)

Sure. As a daily driver I have not had a better car. The motor is great, plenty of torque. Drives - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 10:06:08 (328 views)

Thanks man, appreciate the comments. - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 16:44:52 (235 views)

Headgaskets and headbolts in the parts list? Heads have to be pulled? - t.arrows 2006-01-11 08:48:33 (387 views)

Hello Ted, stock cr, just to freshen the head/block mating and improve overall seal for the boost. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:48:46 (297 views)

Nice! Can you estimate install time on the whole kit? Can anyone do the install or only ASP? - t.arrows 2006-01-11 09:53:58 (289 views)

At this time only installed at ASP for $3000 incl. tbelt, clutch labor and fine tune. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:58:21 (653 views)

How long would you need the car to do the install? ~1 week? - CoolHandNuke 2006-01-11 10:12:25 (306 views)

Assuming all parts are in stock, yes 1-2 weeks maximum - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:16:44 (326 views)

That's kind of tough for us west coasters. I don't see why it would be THAT difficult. Except - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 10:08:38 (330 views)

No not difficult if you have the tools and aptitude, but the reality is we do not want anything... - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 10:12:51 (454 views)

Understood...guess there may have to be a waiting period. Being it could get expensive - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 10:21:07 (302 views)

That's quite reasonable. - reefer_bob 2006-01-11 10:19:37 (267 views)

Yeah...you'd ONLY be able to watch! No touchy the car! - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 10:22:59 (262 views)

;) I can't WAIT to do my car... - reefer_bob 2006-01-11 10:26:21 (255 views)

curve doesn't look smoothed over like most tuner's post. thats why its "shaky" - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:54:14 (291 views)

Ok, so Brand A was a run from a different dyno? Shouldn't they both be shaky if no smoothing is - t.arrows 2006-01-11 08:56:14 (290 views)

Brand A run was what another tuner publishes for their kit on the same model dyno - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:59:59 (332 views)

Read Mark's response to this below. - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:58:06 (363 views)

Indeed. And he already replied to the same question below. - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:55:58 (262 views)

Very, very, very nice - well put together info as well/always. Congrats! - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:46:57 (282 views)

mark can you take some pics this weekend? i would love to drive down... - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:50:01 (283 views)

always! - Mark P 2006-01-11 11:12:25 (232 views)

Good God! you can spin the earth with that! - The S 2006-01-11 08:44:25 (278 views)

LOL, after enough 1/4 mile runs you could reverse time and save Lois Lane! - BoneStockS4 2006-01-11 10:20:28 (339 views)

That's fast. - Tgr_Clw (Milltek'ed) 2006-01-11 08:44:09 (586 views)

WOW... - nobodeuno 2006-01-11 08:41:08 (338 views)

Umm ... wonder if I can get my car back from Alex now. - Rob O 2006-01-11 08:39:49 (356 views)

get another one, blown snails and go to town. i have a feeling alex has his own plans. >:-D - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 10:48:30 (261 views)

Heh. Yeah, I know all about his plans for MADWAGN ... - Rob O 2006-01-11 10:56:41 (272 views)

kid is always way ahead of me. his 90 used to blow my car off the road. now i'll never catch him - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-11 11:03:25 (244 views)

lol - Rob O 2006-01-11 14:55:39 (206 views)

Drool, the question is whether or not I can afford it - spartanS4 2006-01-11 08:36:14 (321 views)

who is brand A??? - Zold-manS4 2006-01-11 08:33:53 (319 views)

awe - phillys4951 2006-01-11 09:22:38 (290 views)

could be AMS, AWE, APR.... - JoshD@S4.org 2006-01-11 08:50:46 (334 views)

Lol, already looked, isn't APR but the "crayons" were out there as well =-) - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 09:24:06 (279 views)

that is completely bad ass....ugh i want an S4... - Justin517 2006-01-11 08:32:38 (349 views)

Nice Mark, Congrats. - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2006-01-11 08:29:19 (275 views)

HOLLY LONG power orgasm .. 2500 rpm of full ~500whp .. not just a tinny peak @ 7k - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 08:25:21 (423 views)

peak torque at 4900rpm, that's a long time to wait. - cwh 2006-01-11 08:24:24 (360 views)

lol.. but @ 3-3.5k rpm makes what ko4-s make ..and it's only ~1/2 way :O - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 08:30:49 (285 views)

Don't understand the K04 kit sees peak tq (330) at approx. 3800rpm, we are at 400ft-lbs @ 3800?? - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:30:16 (320 views)

the kit is amazing, but it's just way beyond what i need (at this time) - cwh 2006-01-11 08:58:27 (352 views)

its not for everyone....but still 500chp on pump with K04s is hardly going to be reliable. - BASELINE 2006-01-11 12:11:52 (254 views)

The ride getting there is like no other and remember 653ftlbs!!!!! - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 08:28:26 (316 views)

So much for "Two Weeks". Congrats, Mark! - Pat-SoCal 2006-01-11 08:20:53 (371 views)

Thanks Pat, will be calling regarding some suspension ?'s soon. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:23:30 (275 views)

Excellent, I can't wait to help polish on an already outstanding project! - Pat-SoCal 2006-01-11 08:56:02 (260 views)

Nice!!! See you on the 14th. :-) - FixedWing 2006-01-11 08:18:17 (309 views)

THUMBS UP :) Why did it have to come after xmas? LOL :-) - rickyS4 2006-01-11 08:17:32 (267 views)

Congrats Mark!!!!!! Looks like an aweseom kit :) - Imolavirus:Infected 2006-01-11 08:16:57 (397 views)

Absolutely awesome :-) - AJN334 2006-01-11 08:16:24 (289 views)

The video dyno is nice. I'm reminded of a jet... <wets self> - S4tranquility 2006-01-11 08:16:11 (292 views)

Great numbers... - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 08:12:03 (341 views)

The curve is "shaky" because it is real, we do not publish the "crayon-esque" plots... - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:21:08 (466 views)

Here is a non "crayon-esque" plot from dynojet. The printouts from Mustangs are usually - Todeshandler 2006-01-11 09:00:20 (519 views)

Any tests on 91? For us Cali folks - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 08:11:22 (288 views)

You could always just move. - Fixn2xlr8 2006-01-11 08:14:54 (269 views)

I just may...but in 3-4 years...Denver, CO here I come! - SAC-CA-S4:Big Bird 2006-01-11 09:19:43 (251 views)

<begins putting worldly possessions on Ebay> - CoolHandNuke 2006-01-11 08:11:21 (378 views)

<begins surfing ebay> - reefer_bob 2006-01-11 08:16:03 (285 views)

Start under Other Categories -> Adult -> Videos - CoolHandNuke 2006-01-11 08:18:13 (324 views)

then proceed to -->midgets -->weedeater-->beano.... - Toasty-Stg3::HCBP 2006-01-11 08:45:08 (302 views)

amazing work Mark, cant wait to get the kit on the Nogaro :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:08:36 (262 views)

yes sir. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:09:11 (281 views)

things look to be moving well, maybe i can up the target date to march-april :) - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:18:52 (261 views)

Group Buy! :D - Need4TTBoost 2006-01-11 08:06:54 (275 views)

Or at least an introductory pricing. ; ) - Pearl of the Orient 2006-01-11 08:39:12 (264 views)

(hint, hint) - rickyS4 2006-01-11 08:40:42 (269 views)

Woah! Do you get special seat belts with that? Congrats Mark, Nice work!! - RAD69 2006-01-11 08:06:49 (313 views)

Thanks Rob, still need to have you come down and tune your beast. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:08:46 (285 views)

lol - I was just about to email you that... ygm!!! - RAD69 2006-01-11 10:13:02 (324 views)

^^^^ - lemieux@curbside 2006-01-11 08:27:53 (263 views)

NNNIIICCCEEE!!! Me likey. - PKmode 2006-01-11 08:06:48 (287 views)

who needs k04s??????????????????????? - jwolf 2006-01-11 08:05:37 (303 views)

For those with Stage 3 set ups already... - KO4ed in Phoenix 2006-01-11 08:05:13 (582 views)

No manifolds and downpipes are required, this does NOT bolt up to OEM. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:08:01 (354 views)

Mark, will you sell the Software/Manifolds/Turbos as a slightly discounted rate for Stage 3ers? - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:20:28 (332 views)

JMO...but Autospeed has always offered the highest quality products for very reasonable... - projectS4gt25r 2006-01-11 08:45:00 (474 views)

Oh, I'm not saying that 13K is unreasonable. But . . . (more) - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 08:50:51 (416 views)

id imagine the injectors and MAF housing would be different on a stage 3 car unless you had ASP - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:56:04 (310 views)

That's a good point. Many of the pieces I mentioned are kit-specific. - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 09:00:09 (300 views)

agreed. - mjtaylor 2006-01-11 08:49:57 (251 views)

Mark told me he's only going to sell the kit complete... maybe he can chime in here... - Marcus Frost 2006-01-11 08:07:29 (293 views)

Which bring the next question. With DPs and cat back, can I knock 2k off the kit price? - Fixn2xlr8 2006-01-11 08:06:26 (279 views)

i think you'd need different DP's. - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:08:19 (277 views)

~500awhp on 93, very well done Mark... what about octane program switching - 93/100 ? - Marcus Frost 2006-01-11 08:03:50 (297 views)

holy mother of gawd!!! - wagongotya 2006-01-11 08:01:56 (275 views)

And it is smooooth! no herky jerky motion or turbo lag. - tristateS4 2006-01-11 08:00:22 (283 views)

**darth vader voice** "Immpresssive" - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 07:59:21 (328 views)

BAD ASS! - Toasty-Stg3::HCBP 2006-01-11 07:58:26 (329 views)

WOW, CONGRATS!!!!! - Hibiscus Red S4 2006-01-11 07:55:15 (300 views)

holy sheet! nice work! - Arcteryx 2006-01-11 07:54:39 (272 views)

omfg - S4tranquility 2006-01-11 07:53:59 (276 views)

492 whp, and 512 lb-ft of torque on 93? Nice, Mark! - christian (xinnar) 2006-01-11 07:53:07 (338 views)

What's that translate to at the crank? - MarkCore^TM 2006-01-11 08:01:00 (322 views)

630chp/653Tq - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 08:06:52 (295 views)

The price has MSRP after it .. You guys ARE the manufacturer so I don't think that's neccesary. =] - MarkCore^TM 2006-01-11 08:21:06 (307 views)

492/CHP = 100 - (100 * Drivetrain loss %) :-P - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:04:33 (290 views)

21.5% drivetrain loss I guess... - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:15:10 (276 views)

Looks like they're using the same 1.28x correction factor that AWE uses on the same model dyno - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:43:21 (297 views)

Mark. I don't think a set percentage should be used. The loss does not necessarily go up as HP - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 09:08:13 (323 views)

Loss MUST go up with power. It's basic Thermodynamics. - Verr?ckt 2006-01-11 10:14:47 (535 views)

No. It's still a discussion. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:46:11 (164 views)

yup, you are correct. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-12 06:19:46 (238 views)

sorry guys, verruckt is right. - nyet 2006-01-11 14:56:10 (302 views)

I have heard from many people (one a dyno operator) - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 23:13:32 (243 views)

Well, you can trust your dyno operator (who is wrong) or a powertrain systems engineer. :-P - Verr?ckt 2006-01-12 08:06:30 (250 views)

For the record, I never said it didn't change, I just said that it didn't change as much as the... - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:38:42 (191 views)

me = sucks at the physics..so I wont argue with you - KRS-S4 2006-01-12 09:55:45 (211 views)

its not linear, but its not a fixed amount either, nor is the 2nd order component's slope negative - nyet 2006-01-11 23:58:13 (302 views)

No I am not that stubborn.... - KRS-S4 2006-01-12 10:00:20 (231 views)

that is incorrect sir - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 13:49:40 (210 views)

Friction loss does not necessarily go up with power. What are you smoking? - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 12:01:39 (296 views)

think about a sliding block, basic mechanics. - ModifiedA4 2006-01-12 06:28:05 (247 views)

Listen. I have a master's in ME. I know this shiz. You aren't getting my point. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:34:35 (194 views)

i've reread this part of the thread... - ModifiedA4 2006-01-19 06:24:05 (199 views)

I went (go) to University of Washington. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-19 08:24:04 (208 views)

i went to RPI... - ModifiedA4 2006-01-19 09:55:49 (205 views)

I posted in this thread ;-) - Mark P 2006-01-19 20:42:17 (156 views)

ayup :) - ModifiedA4 2006-01-20 05:51:49 (161 views)

or two - Oo.et.oO 2006-01-19 19:57:44 (183 views)

heh, cool :) - ModifiedA4 2006-01-19 20:06:12 (171 views)

It's not so simple. - Verr?ckt 2006-01-11 18:42:47 (253 views)

unless it has better efficiency - rickyS4 2006-01-11 10:28:23 (293 views)

NO transmission has "better" efficency with more hp - nyet 2006-01-11 14:58:48 (256 views)

For every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction... - Marcus Frost 2006-01-11 09:59:41 (316 views)

Agreed, but we are comparing apples to apples with what is considered standard by most. - Mark@AutoSpeed 2006-01-11 09:13:25 (301 views)

I understand. Standard is standard. All I'm saying is that 28% is a little high for the car. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 13:35:44 (231 views)

it's not 28% ..... it's 21.5% drivetrain+dyno loss - Mark P 2006-01-11 13:44:45 (232 views)

Right, but I still think it's more like 580 CHP, not over 600. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-11 13:51:20 (217 views)

I don't want to say I told you so, but... - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:35:52 (197 views)

agreed, btw. I have NEVER seen any dyno (except for the maha) that represented whp accurately - nyet 2006-01-18 11:39:47 (225 views)

Good call... either way, damn impressive numbers. I want to head to the dyno soon. - NO.BRAZIL (barf) 2006-01-18 11:43:25 (188 views)

no, im pretty much done messing around. looks like thats all im going to get out of 91oct with this - nyet 2006-01-18 11:47:48 (202 views)

based on... what exactly? - nyet 2006-01-11 14:57:28 (261 views)

yeah, but who cares about crank! whp is/should be the only thing that matters :) - KRS-S4 2006-01-11 14:08:23 (221 views)

yup...if you look at it... 100% * (1/1.28) = 21.5%. same thing...i just like - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 08:47:26 (298 views)

I agree completely - I was just pointing out the # that might be familiar to others - Mark P 2006-01-11 08:57:29 (305 views)

ah ok. makes sense. - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2006-01-11 09:00:15 (281 views)

SON OF A BISH!!! - Fixn2xlr8 2006-01-11 07:52:25 (334 views)

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