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ECS stage III has been great for me so far. 17 track days on them so far...

Posted by: O.W. Kenobi on 2005-06-02 11:54:29
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In Reply to: good topic, i've been considering new brakes lately. I'd love to hear what our AW 'pros' recommend posted by mjtaylor on 2005-06-02 11:49:00

replaced the rotors after 11 (but I bought the kit used), rebuilt the calipers after 14 (but only the outer dust seals needed replacing). I've had great experience with Cobalt pads, and am about to try some Hawk HT-10 pads at Mid Ohio next weekend. I get crazy long life from the Cobalts with good modulation and good cold performance. Pair it with Motul RBF600 and it's a great setup.

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Thread:

New thread.. Brakes what has Pat tried, and what is his summary, Ryan and others may chime in - Milpitas2.7T 2005-06-02 11:46:50 (489 views)

all are better then the stock anchors, but like everything, how much do you want to spend... - ryans4 2005-06-02 12:58:32 (3782 views)

Got another question for you if you don't mind... - RocketBoy 2005-06-02 21:59:48 (320 views)

actually, i'm backwards, the leading edge of the pad is hotter then the trailing edge... - ryans4 2005-06-03 08:12:53 (323 views)

I think stock brakes grab HARD with very little pedal pressure, how do the various kits compare to - mjtaylor 2005-06-02 15:26:43 (366 views)

well, you have to assume the same pad. At that point, pedal feel is going to be based on pistons... - ryans4 2005-06-02 15:41:23 (441 views)

Depends on which pad you have in there... - RKA 2005-06-02 15:39:49 (389 views)

Do you think that caliper displacement has any significant affect on brake actuation time, or the - RocketBoy 2005-06-02 14:46:10 (355 views)

I think it's more the piston seals then anything else that you'll notice with on/off times... - ryans4 2005-06-02 14:57:55 (347 views)

How do piston seals affect actuation times? Is it stretching of the seals under pressure increasing - RocketBoy 2005-06-02 21:55:04 (255 views)

the seals retract the piston when off the brakes... - ryans4 2005-06-03 07:59:16 (337 views)

Of course there will be. *edit in regards to time vs. pressure* - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 14:56:52 (298 views)

That's a good point. I have always wondered about the ability of stock master cylinders to be able - RocketBoy 2005-06-02 22:05:08 (262 views)

I have a question... - RKA 2005-06-02 13:59:32 (379 views)

Jumping to eight pistons often means less pad area. - ryoung 2005-06-02 22:09:58 (527 views)

does 8 pistons always mean 2 pads per side like that? - Andrew C. 2005-06-02 22:39:00 (310 views)

Not certain, but I believe yes. - ryoung 2005-06-02 23:10:04 (292 views)

Hmmm... - ryans4 2005-06-02 14:24:41 (787 views)

Re: F1 brake calipers - ryoung 2005-06-03 00:26:39 (408 views)

good to know. Interesting that the caliper is that long for only 6 or 4 pistons? - ryans4 2005-06-03 07:52:49 (251 views)

They get an amazing amount of stopping power under a 13" wheel. - ryoung 2005-06-03 08:46:48 (234 views)

My simple-minded thoughts for our application: - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 14:38:12 (389 views)

oh sure, if you put the whole "B5 S4 street/track car" restriction on it... - ryans4 2005-06-02 14:42:41 (366 views)

Put it in terms of a race car: - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 14:49:01 (342 views)

LOL Totally agree - Eric Fletcher 2005-06-02 18:26:15 (301 views)

more pistons doesn't have to mean longer pedal travel? - ryans4 2005-06-03 07:49:41 (388 views)

What I was saying was... - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-03 08:28:19 (326 views)

ok, i do follow you, and you are totally right, but... - ryans4 2005-06-03 08:42:28 (302 views)

Yeah, exactly - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-03 08:58:28 (375 views)

from your posts, i'm guessing your brakes come on quick... - ryans4 2005-06-03 09:01:44 (388 views)

How cute? You guys should hug now... go ahead closing my eyes. - Tomasz@StartupRacing 2005-06-03 10:57:36 (374 views)

i'm not sure I follow you, but I'm sure I agree... - ryans4 2005-06-02 14:52:09 (286 views)

I just started my ESL class :P - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 14:58:29 (244 views)

Hero post, please add to FAQ or Searchable archive or something, seriously. - Milpitas2.7T 2005-06-02 13:22:42 (260 views)

Nice writeup. - NO.BRAZIL 2005-06-02 13:21:21 (237 views)

Nice write-up, Ryan. I like how it's pretty objective. - O.W. Kenobi 2005-06-02 13:20:24 (328 views)

2nd Very nice, Ryan! - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 13:43:12 (304 views)

3rd, excellent write-up! - ryoung 2005-06-02 22:11:46 (247 views)

with all that being said, I run 6 piston Alcon's... - ryans4 2005-06-02 13:23:34 (272 views)

I run 4-piston Alcons and I would agree that Alcon is the best brake setup for the S4. - NO.BRAZIL 2005-06-02 14:04:28 (332 views)

Thanks for the thread... I was writing you an e-mail when I saw it :P Here we go: - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 12:36:36 (686 views)

And to shock Most people here I agree on the "STOPTECH ROCKS" comment - Eric Fletcher 2005-06-02 18:35:34 (419 views)

thanks bro!!! appreciate the info, man more suspension/brake porn :) - Milpitas2.7T 2005-06-02 13:23:29 (357 views)

SKIP the Tilton Master Cylinder... - ryans4 2005-06-02 13:10:40 (322 views)

Yes, I know. Not my car though. - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 13:44:39 (320 views)

a year? on a tilton MC? that was downright optimistic. - ryans4 2005-06-02 13:52:53 (242 views)

reasoning you stuck with the 332s? - internecine 2005-06-02 12:51:16 (336 views)

I don't believe there is a necessity for a larger rotor. - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 12:57:14 (324 views)

so brake fade wouldent be decreased significantly with a larger rotor? - internecine 2005-06-02 13:03:45 (280 views)

I doubt I'll run into that problem on my car. - Pat-SoCal 2005-06-02 13:41:10 (321 views)

that's really a pad thing... - ryans4 2005-06-02 13:12:24 (430 views)

so why have 370mm rotors? - internecine 2005-06-02 13:18:06 (261 views)

leverage and efficiency increase... - ryans4 2005-06-02 13:20:46 (232 views)

I happy with StopTech fronts and Stasis rears... - Tomasz@StartupRacing 2005-06-02 11:56:48 (455 views)

Same setup as I have. Although I need new rotors and would rather stay away from that Coleman crap - Eric Fletcher 2005-06-02 18:20:46 (310 views)

So what rotor are you going to get? - Tomasz@StartupRacing 2005-06-02 18:49:34 (314 views)

I'm looking at options - Eric Fletcher 2005-06-02 19:14:30 (310 views)

Well... brakes and oil cooler. - Tomasz@StartupRacing 2005-06-03 10:55:18 (270 views)

Naahhh Many yers ago I built a big brake kit for the 5000TQ and 200's (Type 44 cars) - Eric Fletcher 2005-06-03 10:58:39 (384 views)

" I would not recommend it for street use. " the 332 kit, why is that? - Milpitas2.7T 2005-06-02 12:17:40 (270 views)

I believe he means street use *only* as that would be a waste. - DocSlow (Mini P!g) 2005-06-02 12:18:42 (278 views)

Yes! - Tomasz@StartupRacing 2005-06-02 13:29:32 (238 views)

I used the axxis pads on the track (very small track) recently. - DocSlow (Mini P!g) 2005-06-02 11:58:50 (231 views)

How are your brakes now? I ruined a set of rotors - pad material transfer. - Tomasz@StartupRacing 2005-06-02 12:12:01 (346 views)

I had major vibrations under light braking for a while. It's been ~2 weeks now and they seem okay. - DocSlow (Mini P!g) 2005-06-02 12:13:33 (259 views)

Start saving for new rotors... you will see. - Tomasz@StartupRacing 2005-06-02 13:30:35 (379 views)

Pat has Stoptechs on his car. Good enough for him, good enough for me. :) - DocSlow (Mini P!g) 2005-06-02 11:49:02 (274 views)

Ya but think he went thru a few iterations. 355's front and custom rear, now? or other - Milpitas2.7T 2005-06-02 11:55:17 (374 views)

good topic, i've been considering new brakes lately. I'd love to hear what our AW 'pros' recommend - mjtaylor 2005-06-02 11:49:00 (368 views)

ECS stage III has been great for me so far. 17 track days on them so far... - O.W. Kenobi 2005-06-02 11:54:29 (424 views)

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