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    Downpipes: Revisited - Looking to update this FAQ started by RyanS4? (tuners please correct)
    Posted by: SmokinS4â„¢ on 2003-08-20 11:13:26
    Account #: 18942

    1. Inner Diameter
    2. Removal of Pre-Cats?
    3. O2 sensor location fore and after cat? (if cats are doing their job, you won't get a CEL. Some tuners also will reprogram the chip to ignore this code too - ie test-pipe option-chips)
    4. Test-Pipe Option?
    5. Flex Joints?
    6. Cat Type
    7. Cost?

    So now how does each option (that I'm aware of) stack up?

    Stock System
    Diameter = <2.25" (I believe)
    Pre-Cats = YES
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = NO
    Flex Joints = YES (metal mesh/bellows-type)
    Cat Type = Pre = Metal, Main = Ceramic 400cel
    Cost = Nothing, you already have them.

    <b> Piggie Pipes - OEM with gutted precats</b>
    <a href="http://www.vastperformance.com/products/exhaust.php">Piggie Pipes</a>
    Diameter = <2.25" (I believe)
    Pre-Cats = Not anymore
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES, often relocated 2nd O2 sensor to behind main cat
    Test Pipes = NO
    Flex Joints = YES (metal mesh/bellows-type)
    Cat Type = Main = Ceramic 400cel
    Cost = stockers plus labor.
    <img src="http://www.vastperformance.com/images/piggies_web.jpg">


    APR
    Diameter = 3.0"
    Pre-Cats = NO
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = YES
    Flex Joints = YES (metal mesh/bellows-type)
    Cat Type = ?
    Cost = $1499


    AWE
    Diameter = taper from 3" to 2.5"
    Pre-Cats = NO
    02 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = YES
    Flex Joints = YES (ball/socket joint)
    Cat Type = 400 cell per inch Ceramic Matrix
    Cost = $1595


    JP Engineering
    Diameter = taper from 3" to 2.5"
    Pre-Cats = NO
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = NO
    Flex Joints = YES (metal mesh/bellows-type)
    Cat Type = Carsound (400cpi Ceramic)
    Cost = $1350
    ANYONE HAVE A PIC?


    Milltek
    Diameter = 2.3" (60mm)
    Pre-Cats = NO
    O2 Sensor Location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = NO
    Flex Joints = YES (metal mesh/bellows-type)
    Cat Type = continuous stainless steel cores 200cel
    Cost = $1865


    MTM
    Diameter = ?
    Pre-Cats = NO
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = ?
    Flex Joints = YES (not sure what type)
    Cat Type = ?
    Cost = $6900 (part of there Stage 3 package)


    RS4
    Diameter = 2.3inch inner diameter
    Pre-Cats = YES
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = NO
    Flex Joints = YES (metal mesh/bellows-type)
    Cat Type = Precat-precious metal, main cat=ceramic 400cel
    Cost = $3000 or $1200 used.


    Tantrumwerks Split Downpipes
    Diameter = merge into a 2.5" pipe
    Pre-Cats = NO
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = yes
    Flex Joints = YES (metal mesh/bellows-type)
    Cat Type = ???
    Cost = $1550 for stainless w/cats (other options available)
    other note: divorced wastegate downpipes


    Autospeed
    Diameter = 3.0inch, tapers to 2.5 for most aftermarket cat-back exhausts
    Pre-Cats = NO
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = YES
    Flex Joints = 3" Stainless Steel Braided Flex Joint.
    Cat Type = 400cel ceramic cats
    Cost = $1549.


    GHL Downpipes
    Diameter = 2.5
    Pre-Cats = NO
    O2 Sensor location fore and aft of cats = YES
    Test Pipes = YES
    Flex Joints = 3" Stainless Steel Braided Flex Joint.
    Cat Type = ???
    Cost = $1279

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