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Shall I add that the engine needs to be able to allow that air into the cylinder?

Posted by: Innovator on 2003-06-28 21:49:26
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In Reply to: that's not totally true. But it's getting there and part of the equation, not all of it posted by Eric Fletcher on 2003-06-28 21:45:41

How about the fact that the cams need to have enough lift and duration for that to happen?

How about the higher flow keeps the outlet temps down? Lower compression allows for higher cyinder pack and lowers the risk of detonation by keeping the cumbustion pressures lower.

Outlet temp drops whenever there is a presssure drop, like at the intercooler.

I have the answers Q, but your question is convoluted.

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So... How much boost can the stock bottom end take? - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 16:37:26 (249 views)

Anybody running that much boost to redline has no idea how too read a compressor map - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-27 22:47:00 (176 views)

Any of you guys Star Trek TNG fans? - Innovator 2003-06-28 05:43:24 (106 views)

Try answering the questions, since you can't you attack. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 08:40:58 (54 views)

Heh. Funny, coming from you. - Dan Calle 2003-06-30 08:02:46 (36 views)

Heh, we called my asst football coach in high school q. He did know a lot of random shit though. - dscottjr 2003-06-28 06:43:16 (32 views)

Was he at least nice about sharing his knowledge with people? - Innovator 2003-06-28 06:56:43 (54 views)

K04s are done at 16psi at 4000rpm? He is talking K04s... - DarinS4Turbo 2003-06-27 23:52:01 (56 views)

K04's just push that flow limit up 1000rpm..... - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 00:29:42 (80 views)

and a big16g's max effeciency is @ 14.5psi, yet most dsmers get 340-350 whp out of them.. HMMMMMMMM - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-28 00:37:24 (52 views)

Now impress me and tell me why - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 00:43:59 (95 views)

well... - imolavirus 2003-06-28 10:23:57 (76 views)

Close but your overlooking the big picture Pressure is a function, not the answer - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 17:21:54 (33 views)

Race gas coupled with the higher boost? - Singletrack 2003-06-28 06:11:48 (28 views)

that's not it. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 08:41:37 (78 views)

In that case, I would guess that they are modifying the housing somehow. - Singletrack 2003-06-28 20:44:56 (38 views)

It's simpler than that. really. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:27:55 (56 views)

Well I'm not sure if this is the whole story... - Singletrack 2003-06-28 22:24:08 (32 views)

Your not looking at everything that you need to look at on a compressor map - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 23:03:40 (16 views)

Weeeeeeeeeeeell, the compressor wheel is also moving slower on the bigger wheel - Singletrack 2003-06-28 23:08:28 (10 views)

At this point we move to email, Email me for futher discussions - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 23:09:25 (8 views)

Oh, man, so lets not share your big secret with others on the forum that may be interested. - Innovator 2003-06-29 06:53:51 (9 views)

Cool - will do, thanks. - Singletrack 2003-06-28 23:15:38 (4 views)

Stop falling for his BS. He is just jerking his own crank, and anyone that goes along with it. - Innovator 2003-06-28 20:48:33 (83 views)

Well I've actually been reading several interesting sites on it with varying - Singletrack 2003-06-28 21:17:52 (45 views)

People learn best by being taught, not by being jerked around. - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:25:58 (39 views)

First of all, I have the book. Second, I'm not begging. Third... - Singletrack 2003-06-28 21:37:44 (36 views)

Please, go right ahead. I'm sure there are a few more hoops he has for you to jump through. - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:39:12 (26 views)

You know man, that is really insulting. For the last time, please leave me out of - Singletrack 2003-06-28 21:55:51 (31 views)

Singletrack, I just laid it out for him, and he still says there is something being left out. - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:59:51 (32 views)

No problem man. - Singletrack 2003-06-28 22:02:13 (25 views)

He's on the right track unlike you. He's understanding what's going on - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:42:11 (45 views)

Should I just say that the bigger turbo flows more CFM's and any given pressure? Would that be ok - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:44:01 (27 views)

that's not totally true. But it's getting there and part of the equation, not all of it - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:45:41 (36 views)

Shall I add that the engine needs to be able to allow that air into the cylinder? - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:49:26 (36 views)

Outlet temps do not drop with pressure drop. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 23:00:59 (31 views)

He's just upset because he can't figure it out. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:38:46 (26 views)

Figure what out? You don't even have a definative question posted! - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:40:08 (22 views)

try to answer the damn question. People learn by THINKING not having it spoon fed to them - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:31:51 (26 views)

What a quiff. Just tell the guy already. GAWD!! - Innovator 2003-06-28 15:18:17 (48 views)

that's not the reason, those are parts of it but not the why. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 17:23:13 (48 views)

Re: that's not the reason, those are parts of it but not the why. - Innovator 2003-06-28 20:39:46 (42 views)

It's really easy, ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION. since you can't you just bitch and whine. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:31:01 (27 views)

What is the question Q? - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:33:32 (22 views)

You really did ride the short bus. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:34:34 (26 views)

Really.. What exactly are you asking, exactly? - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:37:58 (26 views)

are you unable to read or think? or do you have to have somebody tell you everything - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:39:59 (20 views)

I've forgotten more than you will ever know. Get real mmkay. - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:41:16 (21 views)

Oh now that's funny. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:44:38 (44 views)

Re: Oh now that's funny. - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:47:07 (35 views)

Would you like to see the letter that Audi Sent you... - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 23:01:47 (38 views)

I'm tired of your games. You don't know anything unique Eric. - Innovator 2003-06-28 18:57:33 (55 views)

700hp 1800lbs full ground effects is fast. I've raced those, your pig DSM is slow. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 19:42:47 (322 views)

If you're so smart, why do you keep calling the 3000GT a DSM? - Innovator 2003-06-28 20:33:10 (48 views)

the 3000gt (and the dodge stealth) were built by Diamond Star Motors hence DSM's - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:30:04 (59 views)

3000's and Stealths are not made by DSM. Whatever..Q - Innovator 2003-06-28 21:32:06 (75 views)

They are part of the Dodge/Mit's teaming up, also know as Diamond Star - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 21:33:42 (65 views)

mmmmmmm Flowwwwwww :) - MarkS4 2003-06-28 08:56:31 (26 views)

dont mess with me, i'm tall enough to bang your chick in front of you ;) - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-28 01:28:30 (133 views)

Thermodynamics doesn't allow that - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 01:36:23 (212 views)

tell me, tell me - Stealth_STFU_Tuning 2003-06-28 01:19:06 (26 views)

Nope too many people here think that they know better and that physics doesn't apply to their - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 01:37:30 (76 views)

Any of you guys Star Trek TNG fans? - Innovator 2003-06-28 05:37:38 (56 views)

Why don't you impress us and tell us why the DSM does what it does. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 08:43:57 (56 views)

How about not being a jerk for once in your life and give of yourself? - Innovator 2003-06-28 15:14:13 (38 views)

Still no answer, just arguments, so you don't understand the problem or the solution - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 17:27:15 (29 views)

I am more than happy to admit when I don't know something, so please tell me! - Stealth_STFU_Tuning 2003-06-28 01:56:25 (49 views)

Or doesn't have access to the appropriate map. - FunkWeasel 2003-06-27 23:42:22 (35 views)

that depends - how many miles would you like it to last? - MichaelTM 2003-06-27 19:15:31 (36 views)

Stock Ko4's can't run 23 lbs to redline anyway, without going way out of their efficency range.. - Innovator 2003-06-27 18:30:11 (144 views)

Really how do you know that the bottom end can handle 550Hp. - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-27 22:45:34 (92 views)

Well Mr. Q. I rather talk out of it than be one like you. - Innovator 2003-06-28 05:34:45 (80 views)

in all fairness - since when are 50 runs an indication of what an engine can RELIABLY take? - MichaelTM 2003-06-28 10:17:10 (57 views)

Somebody get's it - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-28 17:31:08 (27 views)

So, don't mod your car if you want to last as long as the stock engine would, and use OE prgrammimg. - Innovator 2003-06-28 15:00:55 (49 views)

many shades of gray - right? There's mild modding and extreme one - MichaelTM 2003-06-29 06:20:13 (44 views)

well, that doesnt stop the tuners when making software for the k03's. It will make power, i - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 18:37:51 (87 views)

It will stop you engine when you blow a hole through the piston. - Innovator 2003-06-27 18:43:39 (184 views)

Please get a good tuner to do the work.... meaning smooth as stock and HPs out the wazoo. - Hal S4 2003-06-27 20:51:45 (6 views)

With big turbos, it can never be as smooth as stock. - Innovator 2003-06-27 21:13:07 (10 views)

Smooth is relative, how about not surging and missing? How about not overboosting or slamming the - FunkWeasel 2003-06-27 21:20:18 (49 views)

Bingo. Add- or running the fuel sys at 110% regardless of demand. - Hal S4 2003-06-28 05:41:35 (5 views)

Yeah that is weak. I didn't care for the explanation of it either. - Singletrack 2003-06-28 05:47:10 (5 views)

I'm not hating here Rick, but I wish everyone would quit with the "mysterious" and "secret" crap. - FunkWeasel 2003-06-27 19:23:59 (64 views)

Well I want to get it out first before Autogreed dupes it on me. - Innovator 2003-06-28 16:56:38 (16 views)

Oh yeah, can I get a couple of the 15psi checkvalves for a water injection system from you? - FunkWeasel 2003-06-28 17:03:02 (1 view)

That's alright, I understand. Got a *rough* timeframe? - FunkWeasel 2003-06-28 17:00:23 (1 view)

Note to self - scout e-bay for cheap hair-straightening products. Will make a fortune later - MichaelTM 2003-06-27 19:17:49 (5 views)

Heh. I think everyone is giving up on the k04's too quickly. People should focus more - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 18:46:12 (49 views)

No one is running K03's that high to redline...every tuner tapers to 1 bar or less that high up. - 2k2S4 :: Indukted 2003-06-27 18:40:51 (46 views)

But a lot of tuners do run the K03 out of their eff range. - Singletrack 2003-06-27 20:22:37 (45 views)

Here is the answer to Erics big secret. - Innovator 2003-06-29 07:18:30 (116 views)

Thanks, but I actually posted info on that above a little while ago. - Singletrack 2003-06-29 07:27:19 (39 views)

We upgrade those turbos all the time, but his question was convoluted as usual. - Innovator 2003-06-29 07:39:57 (49 views)

That's funny. not correct but funny - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-29 09:00:24 (32 views)

why is it incorrect? Larger compressor wheel WILL increase turbo lag - MichaelTM 2003-06-29 11:15:13 (33 views)

Not always - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-29 11:28:49 (42 views)

Oh, so a larger compressor wheel spools just as fast as a smaller one? - Innovator 2003-06-29 09:07:20 (33 views)

Ok Yoda, so a larger compressor wheel spools just as fast as a smaller one? BS. - Innovator 2003-06-29 09:12:30 (34 views)

I see no need to correct and teach you. You already know sooo much - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-29 09:09:01 (58 views)

Q, it's you that think you know more than you actually do. - Innovator 2003-06-29 09:11:21 (12 views)

Re: Q, it's you that think you know more than you actually do. - Innovator 2003-06-29 09:59:01 (8 views)

So rather than actually doing what you say (Ging out to play with your children) you call me and - Eric Fletcher 2003-06-29 09:54:39 (9 views)

Re: So rather than actually doing what you say (Ging out to play with your children) you call me and - Innovator 2003-06-29 10:02:05 (6 views)

reguardless, k04's flow more, it might not be good for them, but they will do it if i tell them to - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 18:41:38 (41 views)

that is not good for the turbos - Ray Khan 2003-06-27 18:29:13 (62 views)

Agree...no one knows yet... - pattersom 2003-06-27 17:21:02 (36 views)

I thought System knew, or was that a connecting rod. - Mike S 2003-06-27 17:58:16 (31 views)

Hes MIA.. and he wasnt testing the limits of the motor with that setup. =\ - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 18:40:30 (37 views)

No one knows yet. - FunkWeasel 2003-06-27 16:46:44 (29 views)

there must be speculation from all those "never stop calculating" engineers! - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 16:58:58 (30 views)

Heh, it'd be presumptuous in the extreme to make an attempt. Seems like a pretty bomb - FunkWeasel 2003-06-27 17:08:50 (62 views)

Looks like i'm going to be a pioneer on a few new ideas, i hope i'm not the first to make it pop ;) - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 17:12:20 (37 views)

What are you doing fueling wise? You can't be running K04s if you expect to find the motor's - FunkWeasel 2003-06-27 17:14:53 (70 views)

would be glad to talk to you about it on AIM though - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 18:35:58 (31 views)

Sorry I was away from my lab for a bit. Shoot me an email, I'm a slow thinker - FunkWeasel 2003-06-27 19:19:47 (42 views)

i wont post it on the forums. Too many h8ting idiots (like my self) - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 18:35:30 (30 views)

use nitrous to find the potential - Mr. Piggie(mike01s4) 2003-06-27 17:28:10 (42 views)

i would liek to talk to you too over AIM. I have a few ideas to bounce off you. - Nogaro Baller 2003-06-27 18:40:53 (32 views)

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