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I don't understand why the power would change!?!

Posted by: s4IRIsH on 2003-03-11 12:59:26
Account #: 12148

In Reply to: You got an A box, A box is fast with APR but not the M box posted by xccess on 2003-03-11 12:54:50

Not saying it isn't true, but the only thing that changed is different signals from different components. Which should not change how the motor runs, but how the ECU processes the signals from the components.
I don't get it?

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Thread:

My butt dyno with chip review - xccess 2003-03-10 23:38:26 (3230 views)

I found w/ APR 91 octane program... - s4IRIsH 2003-03-11 12:48:35 (612 views)

You got an A box, A box is fast with APR but not the M box - xccess 2003-03-11 12:54:50 (453 views)

I don't understand why the power would change!?! - s4IRIsH 2003-03-11 12:59:26 (285 views)

I don't either. but I know for sure M box is slow on APR - xccess 2003-03-11 13:15:22 (223 views)

Huh? but I thought you beat your friend with the a-box APR program? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 17:41:29 (220 views)

you got mix up,, - xccess 2003-03-11 19:00:29 (222 views)

All fine and dandy, but now we need some hard data please! - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:08:33 (519 views)

As you know, Darin, excessive ignition advance may lead to power loss, ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 11:31:43 (219 views)

I have to disagree - in general, the more advance, the more power, as long as you *aren't* pinging - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 12:00:45 (236 views)

Put another way: :-) ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 14:04:01 (214 views)

Just a couple points on your counterpoints :-p - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 14:49:32 (183 views)

I misunderstood you, and agree with your "maximum cylinder pressure" being the max ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 18:49:29 (175 views)

THIS IS GOOD READING! - Xr8edS4 2003-03-12 16:56:21 (179 views)

here.... - xccess 2003-03-11 09:38:47 (224 views)

Cool, thanks. One thing to point out- - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:46:05 (164 views)

yes it was on the same car.. - xccess 2003-03-11 10:05:00 (154 views)

i wonder whos ABT chip you used in that chicago shootup <smiles>? - djillusion 2003-03-11 09:15:36 (167 views)

Make sure APR is v3.3 when testing. - Jason @ ND 2003-03-11 08:17:06 (241 views)

it's 3.3 :) - xccess 2003-03-11 10:05:44 (124 views)

yes, he had v3.3 and the car still wasn't as fast as the x-chip cars - LightWeight 2003-03-11 09:16:12 (198 views)

It's still a touch slower than the others in my experience. - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 08:17:47 (150 views)

Turns out Drew had the 91 octane version in his chip... - KJ in DC 2003-03-11 08:55:22 (211 views)

Ahhh....that would certainly explain it. I want to run again then. =) - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 11:09:15 (149 views)

This dirty old man says, "Bring it on!!" ;) - Another Drew 2003-03-11 11:30:03 (154 views)

how much are you selling your FIKSE wheels? - xccess 2003-03-11 11:37:23 (152 views)

What's up man? You ever check out that "Little Brother" ??? - The R 2003-03-11 09:00:58 (126 views)

Compared to what? Race gas, craptane, stage 1, stage X, cool day, hot day, ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 08:01:32 (216 views)

man you ask too much:) - xccess 2003-03-11 10:07:10 (125 views)

But I don't blame him.. If I wasn't there to witness most of our tests - LightWeight 2003-03-11 10:13:01 (138 views)

I don't know how much more we could do... - xccess 2003-03-11 11:24:52 (160 views)

LoL.. You notice what chip the unhappy ones are running.. right? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:07:52 (165 views)

umm... please delete... or edit. - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 23:38:22 (135 views)

You can say the brand. Like I said, til I see another brand distance itself from my PUMP GAS times, - The R 2003-03-11 16:10:05 (164 views)

Xcess ran an A-box chipped S4 when he had the APR chip - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:19:06 (200 views)

You can say there are too many variables, but guys with the other chips have run - The R 2003-03-11 16:35:48 (149 views)

That's not fair Rob, you are SUPER HERO. Go pick on someone your own size (Z06s). :-P - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 16:16:56 (143 views)

Don't you think Rob needs to run against some abt and - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:22:02 (142 views)

Well, I think another guy locally is getting or has his x-chip already. I might - The R 2003-03-11 16:43:54 (138 views)

heheh...Nah. I've never said APR chips were the best or even close. But, - The R 2003-03-11 16:20:01 (194 views)

The 1/4 mile is all about driver.. If youve got the rowing skills you - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:23:24 (165 views)

Like I said above. So no other Abt, MTM or X chip owners can drive their cars? - The R 2003-03-11 16:37:08 (179 views)

here the deal.... - xccess 2003-03-11 17:15:27 (170 views)

I'm not doubting your car is faster with something other than an APR chip. - The R 2003-03-11 17:32:59 (178 views)

Thanks ,, but now MTM oWNED ME :) - xccess 2003-03-11 17:36:32 (152 views)

I meant to tell you. You car looks good. Every time I see it, I want to get that bumper. :-p - The R 2003-03-11 17:50:55 (113 views)

I agree VonK - even logs can be nearly as useless as butt-dynos unless... - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:19:57 (160 views)

I never heard about the GIAC chip having ANY problems... - Markcore 2003-03-11 07:52:24 (258 views)

The X chip had a lot of problems up until the recent version. V8 seems to have solved them for most - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 08:16:57 (257 views)

Safest bet as in "best bet" - Markcore 2003-03-11 08:53:09 (153 views)

i agree pretty damn well with this personally... - djillusion 2003-03-11 07:28:49 (168 views)

damm, I wish we did our runs.. after I left you guys another M3 handed me my ass.. :( - LightWeight 2003-03-10 23:53:29 (282 views)

next time we will send his fat..... - xccess 2003-03-11 07:05:17 (164 views)

dude... where have you been? - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:19:50 (186 views)

humm.. Im kinda thinking the same thing.. - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:29:41 (175 views)

honestly... - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:40:07 (191 views)

I must agree... - xccess 2003-03-11 05:47:57 (141 views)

Your review is scattered and running race gas pretty wrong. - Milpitas2.7T 2003-03-10 23:49:28 (364 views)

one of two things: either he edited his post or you can't read :) - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:24:15 (175 views)

Well the post says "ABT on race gas felt as fast as XR", I imagine that is what he brought up. - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 07:59:38 (138 views)

followed by: "but don't feel much torque like XR" - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 08:09:54 (128 views)

Ha, so what does that mean? If it feels as fast, it has to be making as much torque - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 08:16:00 (156 views)

yes yes yes .... that what I said,,maybe - xccess 2003-03-11 07:02:42 (167 views)

Engrish rules! - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 07:30:52 (123 views)

The Original post mentions nothing about APR running with Race Gas..... - The Reaper 2003-03-11 05:26:44 (174 views)

Yup. Even the 91 octane program adapted well to race gas. Not like the race program, - The R 2003-03-11 00:30:40 (232 views)

My opinions are based on the tests that we've conducted - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:11:59 (175 views)

I'm not saying your results aren't true. The thing I always have problem - The R 2003-03-11 09:00:04 (144 views)

your probably right about the APR race program but - LightWeight 2003-03-10 23:55:57 (264 views)

Heheh....maybe some of those funny working M boxes...but my car is far from weak. - The R 2003-03-11 00:28:16 (201 views)

Have you ever ran an x-chipped S4 on pump gas? swapped chips to see if the results were the same? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:26:30 (357 views)

x chip on H box s4's is crap...hesitation and sputters all the way from 2k-redline - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:26:25 (204 views)

I thought the same about previous versions, but X vers. 8 is now pretty smooth in my H box car. - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 08:02:05 (130 views)

no problems with MTM H-box at all - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:29:04 (162 views)

did giac edit their software after the first year of release? - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:33:05 (135 views)

don't know anything about GIAC. I have MTM - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:34:05 (162 views)

ah, well im glad yours is smooth, because the H box MT's ive been in, all had the sputtering and - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:52:11 (150 views)

Me too which is why I ditched MTM. I wonder if maybe they have fixed it ? - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:15:38 (125 views)

I doubt they fixed anything. FWIW my chip is fairly old - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 09:18:57 (142 views)

Cool, glad yours is smooth. Otherwise I liked my MTM chip, I believe it has - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 10:10:38 (152 views)

Your power/boost ratio is a very important consideration. ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 11:04:37 (156 views)

please delete. or edit... whatever. - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:42:10 (125 views)

i would argue for raw daily driving - apr is exactly the way to go - K04Madness 2003-03-11 00:22:48 (266 views)

thats you.. I have a friend that blew his turbos with the APR chip - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:05:33 (324 views)

i hear yah - but as you said - K04Madness 2003-03-11 01:27:10 (197 views)

damm bro.. wtf.. maybe its a quality control thing? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:31:33 (155 views)

i floor it all the time!!! 17mpg baby! hehe - K04Madness 2003-03-11 08:27:52 (135 views)

damm.. I can't even get 17mpg with the TT.. : ( with the AR - LightWeight 2003-03-11 09:18:01 (138 views)

23 psi - cripes! That is craziness. You SHOULD get your warranty vaporized for that. - PhoenixS4 2003-03-10 23:47:07 (213 views)

pfft. - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 00:09:29 (517 views)

That's just a spike. Your hold light is on. - VonK 2003-03-11 07:29:59 (150 views)

No, really? :) - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 08:26:58 (203 views)

You're right. Must relax a little about facts and figures. :-) - VonK 2003-03-11 08:50:41 (136 views)

No worries... it's all good :) - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 09:05:49 (129 views)

:-) - VonK 2003-03-11 10:10:55 (121 views)

What is that, a supra? LOL....just kidding. That's some boost you got there. :-p - The R 2003-03-11 00:24:03 (145 views)

Got Boost?! :-O - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 00:20:11 (142 views)

:D - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 00:28:02 (148 views)

Those are my findings EXACTLY except I show a little more boost with both the Abt and MTM. - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-10 23:44:31 (194 views)

So are you agree with me on this?.. - xccess 2003-03-11 05:53:34 (200 views)

I agree, that's what my findings are. You were HERO STATUS already. :-) - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 07:29:28 (137 views)

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