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Posted by: xccess on 2003-03-11 09:38:47
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In Reply to: All fine and dandy, but now we need some hard data please! posted by DarinS4Turbo on 2003-03-11 09:08:33

I know I didn't have the VAG-COM to back it up. However I did pump VP 103 race gas and ran my X with other X chip out there, we pull pretty much even to all the gear. On the ABT race gas I have extra 300 lbs and it pull even with other X, this convince me that ABT does adapted well to the race gas. As for XR, the chip felt so much torque and slighly faster then ABT. I will try to get some data logs with VAG later this week, then will post back here.

Thread:

My butt dyno with chip review - xccess 2003-03-10 23:38:26 (3230 views)

I found w/ APR 91 octane program... - s4IRIsH 2003-03-11 12:48:35 (613 views)

You got an A box, A box is fast with APR but not the M box - xccess 2003-03-11 12:54:50 (453 views)

I don't understand why the power would change!?! - s4IRIsH 2003-03-11 12:59:26 (285 views)

I don't either. but I know for sure M box is slow on APR - xccess 2003-03-11 13:15:22 (224 views)

Huh? but I thought you beat your friend with the a-box APR program? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 17:41:29 (221 views)

you got mix up,, - xccess 2003-03-11 19:00:29 (222 views)

All fine and dandy, but now we need some hard data please! - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:08:33 (519 views)

As you know, Darin, excessive ignition advance may lead to power loss, ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 11:31:43 (219 views)

I have to disagree - in general, the more advance, the more power, as long as you *aren't* pinging - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 12:00:45 (237 views)

Put another way: :-) ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 14:04:01 (215 views)

Just a couple points on your counterpoints :-p - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 14:49:32 (184 views)

I misunderstood you, and agree with your "maximum cylinder pressure" being the max ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 18:49:29 (176 views)

THIS IS GOOD READING! - Xr8edS4 2003-03-12 16:56:21 (180 views)

here.... - xccess 2003-03-11 09:38:47 (225 views)

Cool, thanks. One thing to point out- - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:46:05 (165 views)

yes it was on the same car.. - xccess 2003-03-11 10:05:00 (155 views)

i wonder whos ABT chip you used in that chicago shootup <smiles>? - djillusion 2003-03-11 09:15:36 (168 views)

Make sure APR is v3.3 when testing. - Jason @ ND 2003-03-11 08:17:06 (241 views)

it's 3.3 :) - xccess 2003-03-11 10:05:44 (125 views)

yes, he had v3.3 and the car still wasn't as fast as the x-chip cars - LightWeight 2003-03-11 09:16:12 (198 views)

It's still a touch slower than the others in my experience. - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 08:17:47 (151 views)

Turns out Drew had the 91 octane version in his chip... - KJ in DC 2003-03-11 08:55:22 (212 views)

Ahhh....that would certainly explain it. I want to run again then. =) - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 11:09:15 (150 views)

This dirty old man says, "Bring it on!!" ;) - Another Drew 2003-03-11 11:30:03 (154 views)

how much are you selling your FIKSE wheels? - xccess 2003-03-11 11:37:23 (153 views)

What's up man? You ever check out that "Little Brother" ??? - The R 2003-03-11 09:00:58 (126 views)

Compared to what? Race gas, craptane, stage 1, stage X, cool day, hot day, ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 08:01:32 (217 views)

man you ask too much:) - xccess 2003-03-11 10:07:10 (126 views)

But I don't blame him.. If I wasn't there to witness most of our tests - LightWeight 2003-03-11 10:13:01 (139 views)

I don't know how much more we could do... - xccess 2003-03-11 11:24:52 (160 views)

LoL.. You notice what chip the unhappy ones are running.. right? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:07:52 (166 views)

umm... please delete... or edit. - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 23:38:22 (136 views)

You can say the brand. Like I said, til I see another brand distance itself from my PUMP GAS times, - The R 2003-03-11 16:10:05 (165 views)

Xcess ran an A-box chipped S4 when he had the APR chip - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:19:06 (201 views)

You can say there are too many variables, but guys with the other chips have run - The R 2003-03-11 16:35:48 (150 views)

That's not fair Rob, you are SUPER HERO. Go pick on someone your own size (Z06s). :-P - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 16:16:56 (143 views)

Don't you think Rob needs to run against some abt and - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:22:02 (142 views)

Well, I think another guy locally is getting or has his x-chip already. I might - The R 2003-03-11 16:43:54 (139 views)

heheh...Nah. I've never said APR chips were the best or even close. But, - The R 2003-03-11 16:20:01 (195 views)

The 1/4 mile is all about driver.. If youve got the rowing skills you - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:23:24 (166 views)

Like I said above. So no other Abt, MTM or X chip owners can drive their cars? - The R 2003-03-11 16:37:08 (180 views)

here the deal.... - xccess 2003-03-11 17:15:27 (171 views)

I'm not doubting your car is faster with something other than an APR chip. - The R 2003-03-11 17:32:59 (179 views)

Thanks ,, but now MTM oWNED ME :) - xccess 2003-03-11 17:36:32 (153 views)

I meant to tell you. You car looks good. Every time I see it, I want to get that bumper. :-p - The R 2003-03-11 17:50:55 (113 views)

I agree VonK - even logs can be nearly as useless as butt-dynos unless... - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:19:57 (161 views)

I never heard about the GIAC chip having ANY problems... - Markcore 2003-03-11 07:52:24 (259 views)

The X chip had a lot of problems up until the recent version. V8 seems to have solved them for most - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 08:16:57 (258 views)

Safest bet as in "best bet" - Markcore 2003-03-11 08:53:09 (154 views)

i agree pretty damn well with this personally... - djillusion 2003-03-11 07:28:49 (169 views)

damm, I wish we did our runs.. after I left you guys another M3 handed me my ass.. :( - LightWeight 2003-03-10 23:53:29 (282 views)

next time we will send his fat..... - xccess 2003-03-11 07:05:17 (165 views)

dude... where have you been? - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:19:50 (187 views)

humm.. Im kinda thinking the same thing.. - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:29:41 (175 views)

honestly... - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:40:07 (192 views)

I must agree... - xccess 2003-03-11 05:47:57 (142 views)

Your review is scattered and running race gas pretty wrong. - Milpitas2.7T 2003-03-10 23:49:28 (365 views)

one of two things: either he edited his post or you can't read :) - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:24:15 (175 views)

Well the post says "ABT on race gas felt as fast as XR", I imagine that is what he brought up. - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 07:59:38 (139 views)

followed by: "but don't feel much torque like XR" - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 08:09:54 (129 views)

Ha, so what does that mean? If it feels as fast, it has to be making as much torque - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 08:16:00 (157 views)

yes yes yes .... that what I said,,maybe - xccess 2003-03-11 07:02:42 (168 views)

Engrish rules! - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 07:30:52 (124 views)

The Original post mentions nothing about APR running with Race Gas..... - The Reaper 2003-03-11 05:26:44 (175 views)

Yup. Even the 91 octane program adapted well to race gas. Not like the race program, - The R 2003-03-11 00:30:40 (233 views)

My opinions are based on the tests that we've conducted - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:11:59 (175 views)

I'm not saying your results aren't true. The thing I always have problem - The R 2003-03-11 09:00:04 (145 views)

your probably right about the APR race program but - LightWeight 2003-03-10 23:55:57 (265 views)

Heheh....maybe some of those funny working M boxes...but my car is far from weak. - The R 2003-03-11 00:28:16 (202 views)

Have you ever ran an x-chipped S4 on pump gas? swapped chips to see if the results were the same? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:26:30 (358 views)

x chip on H box s4's is crap...hesitation and sputters all the way from 2k-redline - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:26:25 (205 views)

I thought the same about previous versions, but X vers. 8 is now pretty smooth in my H box car. - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 08:02:05 (131 views)

no problems with MTM H-box at all - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:29:04 (163 views)

did giac edit their software after the first year of release? - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:33:05 (135 views)

don't know anything about GIAC. I have MTM - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:34:05 (163 views)

ah, well im glad yours is smooth, because the H box MT's ive been in, all had the sputtering and - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:52:11 (151 views)

Me too which is why I ditched MTM. I wonder if maybe they have fixed it ? - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:15:38 (125 views)

I doubt they fixed anything. FWIW my chip is fairly old - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 09:18:57 (142 views)

Cool, glad yours is smooth. Otherwise I liked my MTM chip, I believe it has - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 10:10:38 (152 views)

Your power/boost ratio is a very important consideration. ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 11:04:37 (157 views)

please delete. or edit... whatever. - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:42:10 (126 views)

i would argue for raw daily driving - apr is exactly the way to go - K04Madness 2003-03-11 00:22:48 (267 views)

thats you.. I have a friend that blew his turbos with the APR chip - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:05:33 (325 views)

i hear yah - but as you said - K04Madness 2003-03-11 01:27:10 (198 views)

damm bro.. wtf.. maybe its a quality control thing? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:31:33 (155 views)

i floor it all the time!!! 17mpg baby! hehe - K04Madness 2003-03-11 08:27:52 (135 views)

damm.. I can't even get 17mpg with the TT.. : ( with the AR - LightWeight 2003-03-11 09:18:01 (138 views)

23 psi - cripes! That is craziness. You SHOULD get your warranty vaporized for that. - PhoenixS4 2003-03-10 23:47:07 (213 views)

pfft. - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 00:09:29 (517 views)

That's just a spike. Your hold light is on. - VonK 2003-03-11 07:29:59 (150 views)

No, really? :) - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 08:26:58 (203 views)

You're right. Must relax a little about facts and figures. :-) - VonK 2003-03-11 08:50:41 (136 views)

No worries... it's all good :) - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 09:05:49 (129 views)

:-) - VonK 2003-03-11 10:10:55 (121 views)

What is that, a supra? LOL....just kidding. That's some boost you got there. :-p - The R 2003-03-11 00:24:03 (145 views)

Got Boost?! :-O - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 00:20:11 (142 views)

:D - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 00:28:02 (148 views)

Those are my findings EXACTLY except I show a little more boost with both the Abt and MTM. - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-10 23:44:31 (194 views)

So are you agree with me on this?.. - xccess 2003-03-11 05:53:34 (200 views)

I agree, that's what my findings are. You were HERO STATUS already. :-) - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 07:29:28 (137 views)

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