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I agree VonK - even logs can be nearly as useless as butt-dynos unless...

Posted by: DarinS4Turbo on 2003-03-11 09:19:57
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In Reply to: Compared to what? Race gas, craptane, stage 1, stage X, cool day, hot day, ---> posted by VonK on 2003-03-11 08:01:32

they are being compared under very controlled conditions. When I've done my chip comparisons I strive to make everything else constant.

2000 6-spd

Thread:

My butt dyno with chip review - xccess 2003-03-10 23:38:26 (3230 views)

I found w/ APR 91 octane program... - s4IRIsH 2003-03-11 12:48:35 (612 views)

You got an A box, A box is fast with APR but not the M box - xccess 2003-03-11 12:54:50 (453 views)

I don't understand why the power would change!?! - s4IRIsH 2003-03-11 12:59:26 (285 views)

I don't either. but I know for sure M box is slow on APR - xccess 2003-03-11 13:15:22 (224 views)

Huh? but I thought you beat your friend with the a-box APR program? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 17:41:29 (221 views)

you got mix up,, - xccess 2003-03-11 19:00:29 (222 views)

All fine and dandy, but now we need some hard data please! - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:08:33 (519 views)

As you know, Darin, excessive ignition advance may lead to power loss, ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 11:31:43 (219 views)

I have to disagree - in general, the more advance, the more power, as long as you *aren't* pinging - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 12:00:45 (237 views)

Put another way: :-) ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 14:04:01 (215 views)

Just a couple points on your counterpoints :-p - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 14:49:32 (184 views)

I misunderstood you, and agree with your "maximum cylinder pressure" being the max ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 18:49:29 (175 views)

THIS IS GOOD READING! - Xr8edS4 2003-03-12 16:56:21 (180 views)

here.... - xccess 2003-03-11 09:38:47 (224 views)

Cool, thanks. One thing to point out- - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:46:05 (165 views)

yes it was on the same car.. - xccess 2003-03-11 10:05:00 (155 views)

i wonder whos ABT chip you used in that chicago shootup <smiles>? - djillusion 2003-03-11 09:15:36 (168 views)

Make sure APR is v3.3 when testing. - Jason @ ND 2003-03-11 08:17:06 (241 views)

it's 3.3 :) - xccess 2003-03-11 10:05:44 (124 views)

yes, he had v3.3 and the car still wasn't as fast as the x-chip cars - LightWeight 2003-03-11 09:16:12 (198 views)

It's still a touch slower than the others in my experience. - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 08:17:47 (150 views)

Turns out Drew had the 91 octane version in his chip... - KJ in DC 2003-03-11 08:55:22 (212 views)

Ahhh....that would certainly explain it. I want to run again then. =) - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 11:09:15 (150 views)

This dirty old man says, "Bring it on!!" ;) - Another Drew 2003-03-11 11:30:03 (154 views)

how much are you selling your FIKSE wheels? - xccess 2003-03-11 11:37:23 (153 views)

What's up man? You ever check out that "Little Brother" ??? - The R 2003-03-11 09:00:58 (126 views)

Compared to what? Race gas, craptane, stage 1, stage X, cool day, hot day, ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 08:01:32 (217 views)

man you ask too much:) - xccess 2003-03-11 10:07:10 (126 views)

But I don't blame him.. If I wasn't there to witness most of our tests - LightWeight 2003-03-11 10:13:01 (139 views)

I don't know how much more we could do... - xccess 2003-03-11 11:24:52 (160 views)

LoL.. You notice what chip the unhappy ones are running.. right? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:07:52 (166 views)

umm... please delete... or edit. - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 23:38:22 (136 views)

You can say the brand. Like I said, til I see another brand distance itself from my PUMP GAS times, - The R 2003-03-11 16:10:05 (165 views)

Xcess ran an A-box chipped S4 when he had the APR chip - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:19:06 (201 views)

You can say there are too many variables, but guys with the other chips have run - The R 2003-03-11 16:35:48 (150 views)

That's not fair Rob, you are SUPER HERO. Go pick on someone your own size (Z06s). :-P - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 16:16:56 (143 views)

Don't you think Rob needs to run against some abt and - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:22:02 (142 views)

Well, I think another guy locally is getting or has his x-chip already. I might - The R 2003-03-11 16:43:54 (139 views)

heheh...Nah. I've never said APR chips were the best or even close. But, - The R 2003-03-11 16:20:01 (195 views)

The 1/4 mile is all about driver.. If youve got the rowing skills you - LightWeight 2003-03-11 16:23:24 (165 views)

Like I said above. So no other Abt, MTM or X chip owners can drive their cars? - The R 2003-03-11 16:37:08 (179 views)

here the deal.... - xccess 2003-03-11 17:15:27 (171 views)

I'm not doubting your car is faster with something other than an APR chip. - The R 2003-03-11 17:32:59 (179 views)

Thanks ,, but now MTM oWNED ME :) - xccess 2003-03-11 17:36:32 (153 views)

I meant to tell you. You car looks good. Every time I see it, I want to get that bumper. :-p - The R 2003-03-11 17:50:55 (113 views)

I agree VonK - even logs can be nearly as useless as butt-dynos unless... - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:19:57 (161 views)

I never heard about the GIAC chip having ANY problems... - Markcore 2003-03-11 07:52:24 (259 views)

The X chip had a lot of problems up until the recent version. V8 seems to have solved them for most - 2k2S4 2003-03-11 08:16:57 (258 views)

Safest bet as in "best bet" - Markcore 2003-03-11 08:53:09 (154 views)

i agree pretty damn well with this personally... - djillusion 2003-03-11 07:28:49 (169 views)

damm, I wish we did our runs.. after I left you guys another M3 handed me my ass.. :( - LightWeight 2003-03-10 23:53:29 (282 views)

next time we will send his fat..... - xccess 2003-03-11 07:05:17 (165 views)

dude... where have you been? - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:19:50 (186 views)

humm.. Im kinda thinking the same thing.. - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:29:41 (175 views)

honestly... - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:40:07 (192 views)

I must agree... - xccess 2003-03-11 05:47:57 (142 views)

Your review is scattered and running race gas pretty wrong. - Milpitas2.7T 2003-03-10 23:49:28 (365 views)

one of two things: either he edited his post or you can't read :) - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:24:15 (175 views)

Well the post says "ABT on race gas felt as fast as XR", I imagine that is what he brought up. - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 07:59:38 (139 views)

followed by: "but don't feel much torque like XR" - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 08:09:54 (129 views)

Ha, so what does that mean? If it feels as fast, it has to be making as much torque - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 08:16:00 (157 views)

yes yes yes .... that what I said,,maybe - xccess 2003-03-11 07:02:42 (168 views)

Engrish rules! - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 07:30:52 (124 views)

The Original post mentions nothing about APR running with Race Gas..... - The Reaper 2003-03-11 05:26:44 (175 views)

Yup. Even the 91 octane program adapted well to race gas. Not like the race program, - The R 2003-03-11 00:30:40 (233 views)

My opinions are based on the tests that we've conducted - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:11:59 (175 views)

I'm not saying your results aren't true. The thing I always have problem - The R 2003-03-11 09:00:04 (145 views)

your probably right about the APR race program but - LightWeight 2003-03-10 23:55:57 (265 views)

Heheh....maybe some of those funny working M boxes...but my car is far from weak. - The R 2003-03-11 00:28:16 (202 views)

Have you ever ran an x-chipped S4 on pump gas? swapped chips to see if the results were the same? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:26:30 (358 views)

x chip on H box s4's is crap...hesitation and sputters all the way from 2k-redline - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:26:25 (204 views)

I thought the same about previous versions, but X vers. 8 is now pretty smooth in my H box car. - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 08:02:05 (131 views)

no problems with MTM H-box at all - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:29:04 (163 views)

did giac edit their software after the first year of release? - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:33:05 (135 views)

don't know anything about GIAC. I have MTM - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 06:34:05 (162 views)

ah, well im glad yours is smooth, because the H box MT's ive been in, all had the sputtering and - S4iscool 2003-03-11 06:52:11 (151 views)

Me too which is why I ditched MTM. I wonder if maybe they have fixed it ? - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 09:15:38 (125 views)

I doubt they fixed anything. FWIW my chip is fairly old - MichaelTM 2003-03-11 09:18:57 (142 views)

Cool, glad yours is smooth. Otherwise I liked my MTM chip, I believe it has - DarinS4Turbo 2003-03-11 10:10:38 (152 views)

Your power/boost ratio is a very important consideration. ---> - VonK 2003-03-11 11:04:37 (157 views)

please delete. or edit... whatever. - Waseem // TMK 2003-03-11 01:42:10 (126 views)

i would argue for raw daily driving - apr is exactly the way to go - K04Madness 2003-03-11 00:22:48 (267 views)

thats you.. I have a friend that blew his turbos with the APR chip - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:05:33 (325 views)

i hear yah - but as you said - K04Madness 2003-03-11 01:27:10 (198 views)

damm bro.. wtf.. maybe its a quality control thing? - LightWeight 2003-03-11 01:31:33 (155 views)

i floor it all the time!!! 17mpg baby! hehe - K04Madness 2003-03-11 08:27:52 (135 views)

damm.. I can't even get 17mpg with the TT.. : ( with the AR - LightWeight 2003-03-11 09:18:01 (138 views)

23 psi - cripes! That is craziness. You SHOULD get your warranty vaporized for that. - PhoenixS4 2003-03-10 23:47:07 (213 views)

pfft. - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 00:09:29 (517 views)

That's just a spike. Your hold light is on. - VonK 2003-03-11 07:29:59 (150 views)

No, really? :) - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 08:26:58 (203 views)

You're right. Must relax a little about facts and figures. :-) - VonK 2003-03-11 08:50:41 (136 views)

No worries... it's all good :) - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 09:05:49 (129 views)

:-) - VonK 2003-03-11 10:10:55 (121 views)

What is that, a supra? LOL....just kidding. That's some boost you got there. :-p - The R 2003-03-11 00:24:03 (145 views)

Got Boost?! :-O - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 00:20:11 (142 views)

:D - Taner Halicioglu 2003-03-11 00:28:02 (148 views)

Those are my findings EXACTLY except I show a little more boost with both the Abt and MTM. - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-10 23:44:31 (194 views)

So are you agree with me on this?.. - xccess 2003-03-11 05:53:34 (200 views)

I agree, that's what my findings are. You were HERO STATUS already. :-) - S4MadManTuningTroLL 2003-03-11 07:29:28 (137 views)

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