I wonder what a spreadsheet comparision of the S4 with the MTM SC would reveal
07-25-2007, 08:41 AM
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I agree with you and Ben 100% on the RS4 being a different driving experience...
and you are right Dave on me being a narrow minded engineer and not thinking outside the box at the moment. :-)
I can't get past the massive *technical* differences between the cars. Maybe if you drive the RS4 in reverse!
In any case, I'm trying to understand Ben here. I think he means the RS4 is more raw, visceral, and involving. I will certainly agree with that. The sounds and sensations involving an 8250 rpm rev limit, throaty exhaust note, and smooth gearbox are feelings any sports car maker tries to emulate, Porsche included.
I may know a thing or two on the topics, but I'm certainly not always right...
And when it comes to opinions, everyone is right I guess.
Sorry for coming off as a pr!ck Ben.
I can't get past the massive *technical* differences between the cars. Maybe if you drive the RS4 in reverse!
In any case, I'm trying to understand Ben here. I think he means the RS4 is more raw, visceral, and involving. I will certainly agree with that. The sounds and sensations involving an 8250 rpm rev limit, throaty exhaust note, and smooth gearbox are feelings any sports car maker tries to emulate, Porsche included.
I may know a thing or two on the topics, but I'm certainly not always right...
And when it comes to opinions, everyone is right I guess.
Sorry for coming off as a pr!ck Ben.
07-25-2007, 09:22 AM
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same here
I aplogize as well for being prickish, despite my jabs I do respect your deep knowledge. As dave eluded its hard to argue technical merits with mechanical engineers, why do you think I never argue with Scott? He saves me my allowing to challenge him offline where nobody can see the predictable results.
I understand the engineering mind because I am a software engineer, totally different field of course. But I know how its easy to sometimes miss what a user, or in this case the driver, will very quickly pick up on. Its an occupational habit.
I know the RS4 is not the end all, especially in performance and you nailed it, I am just trying to make sure that its more successful and unique attributes are not totally forgotten about in performance comparisons.
You could argue that I was reacting to your original comment too literally as well.
I understand the engineering mind because I am a software engineer, totally different field of course. But I know how its easy to sometimes miss what a user, or in this case the driver, will very quickly pick up on. Its an occupational habit.
I know the RS4 is not the end all, especially in performance and you nailed it, I am just trying to make sure that its more successful and unique attributes are not totally forgotten about in performance comparisons.
You could argue that I was reacting to your original comment too literally as well.
07-25-2007, 01:14 PM
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I agree. The RS4 has a lot more in common with an S4 than even a base 911. Not even close.
The RS4 is a great car and all and in many ways better than a 911 but in no way does it behave or even remotely handle, steer, feel, drive, perform, like an engineered-to-death ***-engine p-car.
07-25-2007, 03:05 PM
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Every piece of the RS4 that has anything to do with shifting is the same as an S4 B7
Same shift assembly, same shift linkage, same 0A3 gearbox with the same internals minus a few different gears.
So the RS4 has zero reason to shift better than an S4 B7. Some gearboxes are better than others, maybe that is what you are experiencing.
Same pressure plate too, same clutch master, only different part is hose and slave cylinder. Slave could account for different clutch pedal feel. Though I would say the S4 and RS4 clutch pedals feel identical.
So the RS4 has zero reason to shift better than an S4 B7. Some gearboxes are better than others, maybe that is what you are experiencing.
Same pressure plate too, same clutch master, only different part is hose and slave cylinder. Slave could account for different clutch pedal feel. Though I would say the S4 and RS4 clutch pedals feel identical.