Audi OEM staggered setup for Q5?
07-20-2014, 08:46 PM
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Reason it's not found much is it is kind of laughable...
(same answer as on your same Audizine post)
On any given Audi (other than the unique rear mid R8), it's basically laughable. Audis are front heavy, front push pigs as you get near the limit, said bluntly. (owned and driven them for almost 40 years now) Comes from their FWD, motor completely in front of front axle line heritage. Not at all a classic BMW or Merc rear drive heritage and bias staggered set up. And if you do it with an Audi, honestly it's a handling performance subtract--which makes it a laugh for those who know the "go" from the "show." Unless you put the big ones on the front that is Citroen style--where they actually belong given the front push. Then everybody will laugh, whether they know staggered or not. Enough said.
On any given Audi (other than the unique rear mid R8), it's basically laughable. Audis are front heavy, front push pigs as you get near the limit, said bluntly. (owned and driven them for almost 40 years now) Comes from their FWD, motor completely in front of front axle line heritage. Not at all a classic BMW or Merc rear drive heritage and bias staggered set up. And if you do it with an Audi, honestly it's a handling performance subtract--which makes it a laugh for those who know the "go" from the "show." Unless you put the big ones on the front that is Citroen style--where they actually belong given the front push. Then everybody will laugh, whether they know staggered or not. Enough said.
07-21-2014, 06:35 PM
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(same answer as on your same Audizine post)
On any given Audi (other than the unique rear mid R8), it's basically laughable. Audis are front heavy, front push pigs as you get near the limit, said bluntly. (owned and driven them for almost 40 years now) Comes from their FWD, motor completely in front of front axle line heritage. Not at all a classic BMW or Merc rear drive heritage and bias staggered set up. And if you do it with an Audi, honestly it's a handling performance subtract--which makes it a laugh for those who know the "go" from the "show." Unless you put the big ones on the front that is Citroen style--where they actually belong given the front push. Then everybody will laugh, whether they know staggered or not. Enough said.
On any given Audi (other than the unique rear mid R8), it's basically laughable. Audis are front heavy, front push pigs as you get near the limit, said bluntly. (owned and driven them for almost 40 years now) Comes from their FWD, motor completely in front of front axle line heritage. Not at all a classic BMW or Merc rear drive heritage and bias staggered set up. And if you do it with an Audi, honestly it's a handling performance subtract--which makes it a laugh for those who know the "go" from the "show." Unless you put the big ones on the front that is Citroen style--where they actually belong given the front push. Then everybody will laugh, whether they know staggered or not. Enough said.
07-23-2014, 07:29 PM
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07-24-2014, 08:32 AM
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Probably will depend on motor
On Porsche SUV's the drivetrain varies depending on the motor. I don't know the Macan details, but can guess it is probably the "Porsche" drivetrain on the gas motors out so far.
On the Cayenne you find the same on the conventional gas motors where it is a true Porsche drivetrain. On both their TDI and hybrid it is an "Audi" drivetrain--meaning standard quattro no matter their pretending to use similar terminology to the other Cayennes. Audi drivetrain means motor way forward with front differential completely behind and at front wheel centerline. Audi drivetrains used to be even worse, but starting with the D3 A8 they got the torque converter behind the front diff instead of in front of it like it used to be. With B8's, Q5's, and newer Audi's, that change is now embedded in their general current set up. That effectively allows shifting the motor 3-5 inches back, but it is still hung out far forward--compared to most any RWD design and now most other AWD designs too. That in turn makes staggered on a (non R8) Audi a general non-compute. For Porsche's in turn, you want to know if it is really the "Porsche"drivetrain or not. Needless to say, Porsche does not publicize this; if you look at the Cayenne spec's super carefully, the tip off clue they provide is the hybrid and TDI wheelbase are identical, and then all the conventional gas ones are a bit different in wheelbase, and in turn a fair amount more so in the whole transaxle set up. Thus similarly, you could expect if it is a Porsche Cayenne TDI or Hybrid with hidden corporate quattro (VW flavor for hybrid from the Touareg) underneath, probably not a great idea. On a yet to come Macan TDI, it is TBD based on which overall drivetrain set up they use, which so far basically is just Audi deep underneath.
On the Cayenne you find the same on the conventional gas motors where it is a true Porsche drivetrain. On both their TDI and hybrid it is an "Audi" drivetrain--meaning standard quattro no matter their pretending to use similar terminology to the other Cayennes. Audi drivetrain means motor way forward with front differential completely behind and at front wheel centerline. Audi drivetrains used to be even worse, but starting with the D3 A8 they got the torque converter behind the front diff instead of in front of it like it used to be. With B8's, Q5's, and newer Audi's, that change is now embedded in their general current set up. That effectively allows shifting the motor 3-5 inches back, but it is still hung out far forward--compared to most any RWD design and now most other AWD designs too. That in turn makes staggered on a (non R8) Audi a general non-compute. For Porsche's in turn, you want to know if it is really the "Porsche"drivetrain or not. Needless to say, Porsche does not publicize this; if you look at the Cayenne spec's super carefully, the tip off clue they provide is the hybrid and TDI wheelbase are identical, and then all the conventional gas ones are a bit different in wheelbase, and in turn a fair amount more so in the whole transaxle set up. Thus similarly, you could expect if it is a Porsche Cayenne TDI or Hybrid with hidden corporate quattro (VW flavor for hybrid from the Touareg) underneath, probably not a great idea. On a yet to come Macan TDI, it is TBD based on which overall drivetrain set up they use, which so far basically is just Audi deep underneath.
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