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so now Audi has officially down graded "S" models to garden variety BMW competitors?

Posted by: bzcat on 2007-11-20 11:29:52
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In Reply to: Performance Preview: Exclusive Look at the B8 S4 posted by Jason Teller on 2007-11-18 21:56:38

It used to be that S4 out performed the top 3 series model and can go toe to toe with M3. Now it will barely keep pace with 335i. That's not progress. I know "RS" model is supposed to be the ultimate Audi model but I'm a little disapointed that Audi itself holds so little regard for the "S" badge.

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Performance Preview: Exclusive Look at the B8 S4 - Jason Teller 2007-11-18 21:56:38 (4796 views)

Re: Performance Preview: Exclusive Look at the B8 S4 - evlgreg 2008-02-28 14:31:21 (242 views)

No mention of tranny? - Looking For Audi #7 2008-01-07 21:54:24 (241 views)

What is the MSRP going to be for the B8 S4? - 4rings 2007-12-29 07:05:44 (377 views)

nice! but i'm keeping the rs4 :D - Agent Orange 2007-12-12 17:33:50 (313 views)

i'm keeping my B5 S4 and buying another or a used RS4 :P - S4plus1 2007-12-19 18:37:05 (297 views)

Will we ever see an S4 TDI? - samsp 2007-11-30 17:57:51 (276 views)

Any new information? Post links - S4plus1 2007-11-29 17:21:22 (292 views)

Why are they not painting the sat radio antenna anymore? - deserthawk 2008-01-09 22:02:21 (148 views)

avant is definitely what I would do as well this time. - laissezfaire 2007-11-30 20:53:02 (186 views)

I didn't know BMW 3 Series Coupe tailights were interchangeable. - Skirunner 2007-11-28 14:13:02 (290 views)

Wait and See Says I - auditna 2007-11-27 20:21:35 (258 views)

So nobody is interested in this new AWD system? - Minimization 2007-11-24 20:26:58 (365 views)

4.2 was only a good idea if Audi could keep the weight down. - Minimization 2007-11-24 20:25:14 (361 views)

Where is the 7 speed DSG that Audi keeps promising us? - Minimization 2007-11-24 20:21:07 (262 views)

Here we go again - S4plus1 2007-11-23 13:20:04 (1059 views)

My C6 lease will be up in july. I'm already excited :) - Onie 2007-11-21 21:47:22 (247 views)

I have been waiting for this for a long time... - Marcus Frost 2007-11-21 17:54:52 (343 views)

This isn't what this car is really going to look like, is it? Lame. - Indy-44 2007-11-21 10:39:06 (286 views)

I believe that the A4 should have a 3.0ttfsi motor as an option... - AS4 2007-11-20 15:20:10 (386 views)

hooray!!!!! - mike (@streamline) 2007-11-20 12:31:02 (202 views)

so now Audi has officially down graded "S" models to garden variety BMW competitors? - bzcat 2007-11-20 11:29:52 (641 views)

S4 = 335. RS4 = M3 - ZaGerman2.0T 2008-02-27 00:20:26 (130 views)

Agreed. Thanks a lot Audi. - atmac 2007-11-23 17:33:01 (379 views)

Numbers don't tell the whole story, put the magazines down and actually drive both cars. - Indy-44 2007-12-12 09:35:47 (237 views)

good point, and ive noticed that over the years as well, the S is a lame duck - ads 2007-11-20 12:14:08 (486 views)

I do agree with you on a couple of things.... - DamienR8 2007-11-20 12:46:10 (492 views)

You can blame the popular B5 S4 platform for that along with the B5 RS4 never making it here,... - Mushasho! 2007-11-20 14:17:13 (488 views)

i like how you said the 335 has "only" 300hp... - ads 2007-11-20 09:18:02 (522 views)

It back-calculates to 342 hp. This is well known - Minimization 2007-11-24 20:23:11 (282 views)

With our AWD system, whp will probrably be equivalent - Mushasho! 2007-11-20 10:38:15 (257 views)

nice!! - 4Ring Jelly 2007-11-19 17:47:00 (282 views)

i like it, if the price starts below 50 - ads 2007-11-20 06:35:51 (256 views)

340 hp makes more sense - chewym 2007-11-19 15:23:55 (292 views)

335hp or 333hp would be a nice message to bmw :) - kiley 2007-11-19 21:59:13 (285 views)

You gotta think it will be badged like the other S Cars, right? "V6TFSI or V6 Biturbo"? - kyd_a 2007-11-19 14:15:13 (242 views)

This engine will probrably trickle down into an A3 or A6.. (135i...535i)... this will be interesting - Mushasho! 2007-11-19 13:36:56 (188 views)

Looks like a BMW to me. - ilike2breathe 2007-11-19 11:12:08 (337 views)

2nd - looks too much like a BMW - JW944 2007-11-19 20:32:10 (196 views)

Let's hope the turbos are more reliable on this version...please, no more K03s!!! - forcefedfreak 2007-11-19 10:52:21 (289 views)

Good point... K03 turbos had a lot of problems. Cheap to buy. Should use Garret - jwj 2007-11-24 09:31:50 (207 views)

Avant, spring 09, Euro delivery- Bring it on. - robbie22 2007-11-19 09:39:27 (269 views)

Yep I would 2nd that...And hopefully they (AoA) can keep good control on pricing... - PDXA4™ pdxa4™ 2007-11-19 09:51:56 (201 views)

Pricing is also greatly influenced by our weak US dollar (assuming ur in US). - NullTerminator 2007-11-22 20:51:40 (183 views)

It's going to have less power than the B7? I know the engine will be more well-rounded, but... - BostonScott 2007-11-19 09:23:41 (462 views)

One word: TORQUE :) - Rolf 2007-11-19 10:14:13 (428 views)

Is there a reason why the rendering is based on the regular A4 rather than the S-Line? - Moro is an Orange 2007-11-19 09:13:32 (716 views)

This may get me to sell my B5 S4. Great news! - MarkFank 2007-11-19 08:38:28 (223 views)

Yep yep;-) - domestique 2007-11-20 11:10:42 (173 views)

awesome...now i hope "accompanying combined fuel economy rises from 17 mpg to over 20 mpg." - BiturboBoy_V2.0_S3-- 2007-11-19 08:21:13 (358 views)

by the 2007 EPA test, the 335i got 29 mi/gal - Minimization 2007-12-14 17:40:26 (129 views)

2008 BMW 335i: 17/26 [20 combined] 335xi 17/25 [20] and 16/25 [19] for manual 335xi - chewym 2007-11-21 17:14:33 (207 views)

rated at 29 i think, easily gets 30+ - ads 2007-11-20 12:20:36 (201 views)

Will it handle the power as well as its predecessors will need to be seen... - SFloor'd 2007-11-19 08:09:40 (197 views)

What Audi motor was weaker than its predecessor, that you know of? With exception of UrS4>B5S4 - Mushasho! 2007-11-19 14:35:58 (243 views)

What are you talking about aside from the stock turbos? The internals are just as stout. - Pete S4 2007-11-19 20:24:03 (169 views)

Just my point... Audi motors have never had a rep for building a motor that couldn't handle power - Mushasho! 2007-11-20 04:42:47 (183 views)

AWESOME! - Godfather | Jay 2007-11-19 08:08:09 (201 views)

F-I-N-A-L-L-Y something to replace my 2.7T! I won't have to buy a 335i after all! - 2.7T_M6 2007-11-19 06:26:38 (276 views)

My sentiments exactly. - domestique 2007-11-20 11:08:57 (245 views)

Wow this is hot. - EuroVWGTi 2007-11-19 05:16:32 (205 views)

Sorry I'm still a fan of there is no replacement for displacement - ColoQuattro 2007-11-19 02:36:49 (752 views)

That's way too much money to spend for 35 hp... - Only1Z 2007-11-21 18:01:42 (258 views)

Have a B7 S4, had S3 B5 S4... - Marcus Frost 2007-11-21 17:46:37 (405 views)

And there is the key for those of us who made the same switch and prefer "maintained" not be - scfan 2007-11-22 05:31:08 (254 views)

Agree. Don't miss my 2.7T's; oil leaks, blown turbos, timing belts, and all - scfan 2007-11-20 17:30:23 (227 views)

No issue with the 2.7TT, just have to mod them to run like a 40v.The styling is superior to the B-7 - ColoQuattro 2007-11-20 00:06:53 (266 views)

Drive a Stage 3 B5 and you'll change your tune. - sj6sp 2007-11-19 16:47:56 (325 views)

Agreed... That 2.7TT is my favorite Audi motor, blows the doors off the RS4 motor - Lightweight-USPowah 2007-11-19 17:47:38 (259 views)

You can still have your displacement by buying an S5. - Silver Stealth 2007-11-19 12:30:00 (211 views)

No they weren't. They were Audis way of trying to move the S lineup upscale. The B6 was a $9K+ - Hal_S4Shizzle::CBP 2007-11-19 12:09:32 (328 views)

Definately agree. The B5 was much cheaper, better interior IMO...also, add a chip for - 2001s4loored 2007-11-19 13:24:07 (303 views)

wow, no. - SoSlow 2007-11-19 10:12:46 (209 views)

This is true... - SFloor'd 2007-11-19 08:36:15 (390 views)

GT28RS kit is > than proposed Supercharger cost. - S4iowa 2007-11-19 08:56:47 (252 views)

^^^ has no idea. - Arc to the teryx 2007-11-19 08:32:14 (200 views)

2nd - Reggie 2007-11-19 08:08:27 (174 views)

While you and George seem to agree on forced induction, he says supercharger. - ACSGP 2007-11-19 02:01:35 (431 views)

Superchargers are not a serious way to build a forced-induction motor - Minimization 2007-11-24 20:33:40 (246 views)

I heard about a 3.0 supercharged motor when I went to S5 training a few weeks ago - Aarononymous 2007-11-19 08:55:20 (415 views)

Not saying we'll never see a supercharger, just not in the B8 S4 - Jason Teller 2007-11-19 11:19:01 (204 views)

I think my information is more current - Jason Teller 2007-11-19 05:29:37 (462 views)

Haha. I'll take Supercharger. Winner gets the bragging rights and loser buys the beer. - George@Fourtitude 2007-11-19 13:50:04 (209 views)

You got it buddy - Jason Teller 2007-11-19 15:20:20 (273 views)

Werd. - George@Fourtitude 2007-11-19 17:25:06 (273 views)

OOOOH site wars! Its ON! <waits and grabs popcorn> - tboned 2007-11-19 21:59:02 (179 views)

FINALLY! YAY!!! Bring on Bi-Tubro! - Audi_in_Van 2007-11-19 00:55:17 (273 views)

Bring on Bi-Tubro!....... - S4_NE 2007-11-22 16:54:32 (234 views)

Big 2nd! The lease is up on my 335i in 2010... can't wait to test drive the B8 S4! - erik9108 2007-11-19 13:39:55 (257 views)

*schwiiiiiiiiiiing* - hman_a4 2007-11-19 00:09:27 (208 views)

I'm all over this one... - Fxhomie 2007-11-18 23:06:39 (271 views)

Historically poor S4 resale will get worse with return of turbos .... - Inclined 2007-11-20 14:13:43 (523 views)

Weakened internals? The 2.7 T uses a Diesel-sourced bottom end good for 550 hp. - Minimization 2007-11-24 20:31:16 (328 views)

Ding! We have a winner! - scfan 2007-11-20 17:33:08 (215 views)

No! They switched to V8 because of the trend... The C class moved to a V8, ect.. - Mushasho! 2007-11-20 14:21:12 (267 views)

Disagree, Audi was getting bombed with warranty problems .... - Inclined 2007-11-20 14:39:03 (490 views)

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