TheTurbanator

Sales in general are slow. People who needed a car during the big supply shortage have finally gotten one, manufacturers overproduced vehicles to make up for said supply shortage, and the economy is somewhat worsening (fully intentional due to the fed) and rates are way higher, so people are just not buying cars if they can avoid it.

2019RS5Sportback

Smells like deal-time…

JD15

Looking back historically, the ratio of average new car price/median household income = 63% is fairly high. This was generally in the mid-high 50s.

2019RS5Sportback

Lots of $$$ sitting on those lots… FWIW a lot of the excess is attributable to EV’s that just aren’t selling

ephone1

The issue with looking for a deal is that there are a bunch of Audi's stuck at entry ports due to the Chinese slave-labor chip. Apparently they've been held since December. Also, Audi is offering a $2,500 incentive for customer that have an ordered vehicle to instead buy a car that's on the lot. I spent three weeks online car shopping, and bought a new 2023 S5 Saturday in Chicago. Several of the cars that I had my eye on were sold a few days prior to my purchase - and they had been on the lot for while. That said, when the cars are released from the port-hold over the next two months, there is going to be flood of cars on dealers lots.


https://www.carsdirect.com/deals-art...-different-car

JD15

Did you get a good deal on the S5? If it's a leftover 2023, I assume you did.

ephone1

$4,600 off from the dealer and there's a $3,500 rebate.

DaveSNJ

FJ Audi?

SMac770

Audi engine codes, that's the identifier for what engine you have. All B9 3.0T are CWGD, all B9 2.9T are DECA. Porsche engine codes, just remove the M and . MCT.MA 3.0TT in the 95B is just CTMA, etc. Didn't know the 3.0TT and 3.6TT in the 95B (the V6 turbos Porsche used before switching to the EA839 family) were dry sump. EA838, probably some Internet media made an incorrect presumption. Unless someone has something from Porsche quoting such a term. The SSP on the CWGD as an EA839 3.0 is dated Dec '16. PPC, nice to see VAG not trying to stretch the MLBevo another 10 years. Once the term is known, you can see it had popped up at least two years ago. Just no commentary about what exactly is different from MLBevo. Wonder if you can kiss the space for a spare tire, even a junk temp one, goodbye.

It's curious to see what Porsche is doing with the EA839. The had the 3.0T (CXTA) and 2.9T (CSZA) in the 971 Panamera, but then dropped the 3.0T for a detuned 2.9T (CSZB) at the 971 facelift. The 4 E-hybrid used a 2.9T but tuned to the 3.0T output values (DGPA). Then the facelift added a 4S E-hybrid with the 2.9T running it's full values (DGPC). But Porsche only ever rated the 2.9T up to 405 ftlb (550 Nm). Not sure if that was a transmission limit, vs Audi going 600 Nm (442 ftlb) with the ZF 8HP65A (700 Nm limit).

The E3 Cayenne had a 3.0T (DCBE) and 2.9T (DCAB) as well, but an E-hybrid only with the 3.0T. But for the E3 II (facelift) for MY24 (global, not sure if US), the 2.9T was dropped for a 4.0T V8 in the Cayenne S. And they added a Cayenne S E-hybrid, but it uses a 3.0T. So for the Cayenne near term, we have a 300 hp / 309 ftlb 3.0T (DCBG) in the Cayenne E-hybrid, and a 348 hp / 368 ftlb 3.0T (DCBF) in the Cayenne and Cayenne S E-hybrid. No 2.9T.

The Panamera is also overhauling at this time, with the 972. And it's going to opposite route. Just 2.9T, no 3.0T. But at the same ratings as the updated 3.0T: 300 hp / 309 ftlb and 348 hp / 368 ftlb. The E-hybrid are getting a 40% bump in e-motor power (vs 30% bump for the E3 II), apparently part of the purpose is to need less ICE. No info on the 972 4S, will it still have a HiPo 2.9T, or go 4.0T V8 like the E3 II S? I find the Porsche phrase "with a significantly revamped 2,9-liter V6-twin-turbo engine" curious. Porsche won't have a 350+hp EA839 at this point, unless the Panamera 4S doesn't jump to 4.0T.

Audi can of course go their own route, but I wonder if they will be looking at the Porsche approach of less ICE more e-motor. Or being RS, will they keep the ICE full tilt, and add the big e-motor and 25.9 kHw battery? MY24 Cayenne -> MY24 Cayenne E-hybrid = +670 lbs. That's a lot of bowling *****. With PPC, will we be seeing 1.5T PHEV (200kW 268bhp) A model, 2.0T PHEV (300kW 402bhp) S model, and 2.9T PHEV (400 kW 536bhp) RS model? The latter is the MY25 Panamera 4S E-hybrid specs, with the 2.9T at only 348bhp. Think instead Audi tries adding 50kW across the board with 2.0T, 3.0T, 2.9T? Is the 3.0T PHEV locked in for the long haul just because the E3 facelift picked it up? AoA dropped it from the D5 A8 facelift here.

Glisse

Ferdinand Piech, who was a brilliant engineer and a complete tyrant, was asked by Bob Lutz how he managed to achieve perfect panel alignment on Audi: