not to beat a dead horse, but a question about a 2.0t with a manual
06-30-2008, 04:54 AM
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not to beat a dead horse, but a question about a 2.0t with a manual
spoke with an aoa official and offered my opinion that most of the audi drivers who bought the manual are enthusiasts and probably would have wanted quattro to go with their cars. my question is this:
if you bought an A3 with a manual tranny, would you have preferred the availability of quattro? or are you fine with the fwd?
i'm trying to figure out if the entry-level a3 should strictly be a fwd and dsg only and try to convince aoa that a manual a3 should feature quattro. thanks for any replies or suggestions.
if you bought an A3 with a manual tranny, would you have preferred the availability of quattro? or are you fine with the fwd?
i'm trying to figure out if the entry-level a3 should strictly be a fwd and dsg only and try to convince aoa that a manual a3 should feature quattro. thanks for any replies or suggestions.
06-30-2008, 08:52 AM
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I can't see how it can really be a matter of convincing.
AoA has it's own sales numbers. They have to know that autos outsell manuals by at least 4 or 5 to 1, if not more. Couple that with the fact that they don't make much on the A3s they sell in the U.S. along with the fact that they don't want too many options in this range that will be completely changing after 2011 or so. AoA is making a smart decision from a ROI standpoint. They just won't make enough money back on federalizing the manual 2.0t w/quattro.
And from my reading most of the manual folks are pretty happy not having the extra weight of the Haldex. And if push comes to shove they can always go LSD if the wheel-hop of their Stage 2 A3 really starts to bum them out!
And from my reading most of the manual folks are pretty happy not having the extra weight of the Haldex. And if push comes to shove they can always go LSD if the wheel-hop of their Stage 2 A3 really starts to bum them out!
06-30-2008, 09:31 AM
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If forced to pick, I'd rather have a manual than quattro.
But I agree with the AOA official's logic. Most people who get a manual in an Audi aren't doing so for "economy" reasons, but rather because they are enthusiast drivers and thus would probably prefer quattro as well.
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06-30-2008, 09:55 AM
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I would have taken manual and QTR - even better if V6 and manual. Manual is the
deal maker or deal breaker for me.
But most people have no use for their left leg, so we're a minority;-)
But most people have no use for their left leg, so we're a minority;-)
06-30-2008, 10:02 AM
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Even QTR cars usually lose some depth in the rear cargo area, as the diff takes up room.
For a short nose, a transverse engine is used, so to send full power to the rear all of the time, a beefier transfer case would need to be used. And yes, every time you change direction of power travel, you do lose some energy - in addition to friction losses of awd.
In the end, a small city car like the A3 is all about being practical. So FWD gives you the most cabin and cargo space. It gives you the most economy. It saves weight. The only people unhappy are old school gearheads (of which I'm probably a member).<ul><li><a href="http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=232539&CT=V">and it can even be just as much fun if not more than rwd</a></li></ul>
In the end, a small city car like the A3 is all about being practical. So FWD gives you the most cabin and cargo space. It gives you the most economy. It saves weight. The only people unhappy are old school gearheads (of which I'm probably a member).<ul><li><a href="http://www.autocar.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?AR=232539&CT=V">and it can even be just as much fun if not more than rwd</a></li></ul>