I have not replaced my 2006 A6 Avant, which took the place of my old Allroad. It's nice to see they are bringing it back to the US again.

http://models.audiusa.com/allroad

Its an A4 chassis though. The A6 allroad probably won't make it here.

Yes, it's an A4 Allroad, but if you read the specs - it's wider and taller than the A4 Avant. So it's not an ordinary A4 Avant chassis. And base on the reviews, it rides much better than the A4 since it uses a different suspension system. It should be an improvement of the old 2001-2005 Allroad. The only drawback is if Audi gets greedy and makes the MSRP price prohibitively high.

Its an A4 chassis though. The A6 allroad probably won't make it here.

No adjustable suspension I understand. Judge for yourself if it's a blessing or a curse ;)

No adjustable suspension I understand. Judge for yourself if it's a blessing or a curse ;)

Curse: makes it a non-allroad, IMHO. Also not available with a 6mt and probably not with the 3.0TDI.

I think I'll keep the one I have.
:)

Yes, it's an A4 Allroad, but if you read the specs - it's wider and taller than the A4 Avant. So it's not an ordinary A4 Avant chassis. And base on the reviews, it rides much better than the A4 since it uses a different suspension system. It should be an improvement of the old 2001-2005 Allroad. The only drawback is if Audi gets greedy and makes the MSRP price prohibitively high.

It's the exact same A4 chassis with lifted springs, fender flares, and bigger offset wheels. In fact, it's just last year's avant with 300 lbs of plastic tacked onto it.

You will only be able to get the car with a 2.0T and that miserable 8 speed slow-tronic transmission.

Audi won't give us any of the high zoot wagons or the A6 Allroad. This thing is just them laughing at us. again.

Yes, what's the point without the adjustable suspension, body strengthening, and full functionality of the A6 chassis?

A little A4 with only cosmetic alterations and permanently higher off the ground is pretty much useless.

No matter what name they put on it, it is not a Allroad. Give us the real A6 based one back like they get in Europe with the air suspension and good engines.

Wrong. Read all the reviews - the new 2013 Allroad is wider and bigger than the 2012 A4 Avant (not exactly the same chassis at all). Let's just stick to the facts that's been written in about 20 reviews - all says it's wider and bigger. Here's an excerpt.

"Built on the updated Audi A4 platform, the new Allroad is a bigger, wider vehicle than the A4 Avant predecessor. This third generation Allroad is the first version to utilize the Audi A4 after previously versions of the model wee offered as relatives to the A6. Smart and sophisticated, the 2013 Audi Allroad stands 1.5 inches taller in ground clearance rated at around 5.7 inches."

It's the exact same A4 chassis with lifted springs, fender flares, and bigger offset wheels. In fact, it's just last year's avant with 300 lbs of plastic tacked onto it.

You will only be able to get the car with a 2.0T and that miserable 8 speed slow-tronic transmission.

Audi won't give us any of the high zoot wagons or the A6 Allroad. This thing is just them laughing at us. again.

Actually that doesn't say it is wider and bigger than the concurrent A4 model, just that it is bigger than the A4 Avant predecessor. I would deduce from this that it is just the current, standard, "updated" A4 platform.

Further it could be "wider" and "bigger" (whatever "bigger" is supposed to mean) just from the addition of allroad-style trim.


Wrong. Read all the reviews - the new 2013 Allroad is wider and bigger than the 2012 A4 Avant (not exactly the same chassis at all). Let's just stick to the facts that's been written in about 20 reviews - all says it's wider and bigger. Here's an excerpt.

"Built on the updated Audi A4 platform, the new Allroad is a bigger, wider vehicle than the A4 Avant predecessor. This third generation Allroad is the first version to utilize the Audi A4 after previously versions of the model wee offered as relatives to the A6. Smart and sophisticated, the 2013 Audi Allroad stands 1.5 inches taller in ground clearance rated at around 5.7 inches."

Wrong. Read all the reviews - the new 2013 Allroad is wider and bigger than the 2012 A4 Avant (not exactly the same chassis at all). Let's just stick to the facts that's been written in about 20 reviews - all says it's wider and bigger. Here's an excerpt.

"Built on the updated Audi A4 platform, the new Allroad is a bigger, wider vehicle than the A4 Avant predecessor. This third generation Allroad is the first version to utilize the Audi A4 after previously versions of the model wee offered as relatives to the A6. Smart and sophisticated, the 2013 Audi Allroad stands 1.5 inches taller in ground clearance rated at around 5.7 inches."

Dude, they out fender flares and bigger offset rims on an A4 wagon, so it's 'wider', and they jacked it up, so it's 'bigger'.
I don't see why you're not letting this one go. It's the same car.

....It's the same car.

...and about 80 to 90 pounds of extra plastic and tin ...ah... I mean stainless steel.

Kinda like an Avant with extra heavy eye liner.

Any idea which 18" wheel will be standard or available? German Audi site shows 2 choices.

Any idea which 18" wheel will be standard or available? German Audi site shows 2 choices.

You can bet it won't be the ones you want ;)

You can bet it won't be the ones you want ;)


Just like the car itself. It's not the one you want.
;-)

They can put whatever badge they like on it, but with no adjustable height suspension, it's not an allroad.

Are you sure that it wont have a Manual option? That sucks!! I would only by it if it were a manual.

Are you sure that it wont have a Manual option? That sucks!! I would only by it if it were a manual.

It will never have a manual in the NA market. The demand just isn't there. Audi would probably sell three of them at best.

It will never have a manual in the NA market. The demand just isn't there. Audi would probably sell three of them at best.

I'd put my order in right now if they did.

The point of a manual (from the manufactuer's perspective) is not sales volume anymore. It's performance street cred. The new Buick Regal GS ONLY comes in a stick. The Golf R ONLY comes in a stick. the Caddy CTS-V wagon can be had in a stick.

Why would car makers go out of their way to build a car and either sole-source or make optional such an unpopular transmission? The answer is that they want a certain type of person to be driving these cars so as to set the tone for other buyers. Imagine if Buick put out an auto Regal GS and only old slow biddies bought it. It probably wouldn't send the desired brand image around at the stop lights and gas stations, now would it?

I'd put my order in right now if they did.

The point of a manual (from the manufactuer's perspective) is not sales volume anymore. It's performance street cred. The new Buick Regal GS ONLY comes in a stick. The Golf R ONLY comes in a stick. the Caddy CTS-V wagon can be had in a stick.

Why would car makers go out of their way to build a car and either sole-source or make optional such an unpopular transmission? The answer is that they want a certain type of person to be driving these cars so as to set the tone for other buyers. Imagine if Buick put out an auto Regal GS and only old slow biddies bought it. It probably wouldn't send the desired brand image around at the stop lights and gas stations, now would it?

Well, it would be nice if the coming Allroad did have a manual option but back in '99 I bought an A4 Avant with a stick. The dealer claimed that it was the first A4 Avant that they had ever sold with a manual tranny. So if that's reflective of the Avant/Allroad market, I can see why Audi might not be compelled to persue it.

I've owned somewhere over 20 cars and my '09 Avant was the first ever with an auto tranny. It took me a spell to contemplate making the switch to auto. And after about nine months, I actually didn't mind it anymore :)

If it hadn't been for that car, I would have never bothered with the TTS and its dsg.

Luckily for me my other car is a stick so I'm offically agnostic..!

In a year or so, I might go for an Allroad but more than a transmission option, I'd like to see an egine option... something with better mpg perhaps.

I'd put my order in right now if they did.

That leaves Audi to find 2 other guys who'd do the same ;)


The point of a manual (from the manufactuer's perspective) is not sales volume anymore. It's performance street cred. The new Buick Regal GS ONLY comes in a stick. The Golf R ONLY comes in a stick. the Caddy CTS-V wagon can be had in a stick.


Do you notice how all the ones you listed have nothing in common with the Allroad? They're all performance variants. Especially Golf R and CTS-V Caddy, which is the most bad-ass wagon out there.

Allroad is a family hauler. With some offroad capabilities. Given the lackluster love toward manual transmissions in NA, I would be surprised if a 6-speed was offered.

That leaves Audi to find 2 other guys who'd do the same ;)


Do you notice how all the ones you listed have nothing in common with the Allroad? They're all performance variants. Especially Golf R and CTS-V Caddy, which is the most bad-ass wagon out there.

Allroad is a family hauler. With some offroad capabilities. Given the lackluster love toward manual transmissions in NA, I would be surprised if a 6-speed was offered.

2 other guys? Ever shop around for a stick Audi wagon? They're priced like gold. There must be at least 5 other guys helping me drive the pricing up ;)


Allroad cannot survive as a family hauler because it then competes directly with the Q5, which is Audi's second most popular product. I am not saying the Allroad is inferior to the Q5, but it can't possibly compete with it on an even playing field when the Q5 is heavily marketed, discounted, and stocked at your local dealer. Why even bother? Why would you even want an Allroad over the cheaper and obsensibly far more popular Q5? I would also agrue that the allroad was never a pure family hauler. Part of the collness of the car came from the fact that it could be had with a stick and a twin turbo V6. That level of cool just rippled right off onto the other Allroads by association. The car was funky and cult-ish enough to warrant resurecting the name, but not the things that made it the off-beat wonder that it was.

Maybe becuase you realize that wagons are better performance oriented vehicles that SUV's. Once you make that leap, a little performance cred to differentiate the products makes a metric crapload of sense.