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PhoenixGTS
03-13-2009, 09:31 AM
<center><img src="http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/208*175/M732747.JPG"></center><p>unlocked truck in driveway to get in house, then found and loaded the homeowner's own shotgun and blasted the family. Not often you here of a homeowner's own weapon being used against them.<ul><li><a href="http://www.startribune.com/41197817.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUHPYDiaK7DUiacyKU7 DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs">http://www.startribune.com/41197817.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUHPYDiaK7DUiacyKU7 DYaGEP7vDEh7P:DiUs</a</li></ul>

TabulaRasa
03-13-2009, 09:35 AM
I live in Minnesota, in the largest metropolitan area actually which is Minneapolis/St.Paul. This town has a metro area population of about 3 million people... so it's not a tiny little town.

I've test driven some used Audi's. One car in particular I checked out twice before deciding not to buy it. Both times the car was sitting on his driveway, key in the ignition, and door unlocked. And the guy was still using it as a daily driver.

Kinda blew my mind...

CC Rider
03-13-2009, 09:51 AM
But from the story it sounds like they were unaware that he had entered the house. He got them in their sleep and could have murdered them in any number of ways.

DaveInSaltLake
03-13-2009, 10:12 AM
it's so much easier and quieter to pop a car window and open the garage door than it is to force an exterior residential door...at least at my home.

snoogins
03-13-2009, 10:15 AM

TANMAN
03-13-2009, 10:48 AM
Tired of getting theft reports from people that don't have enough common sense to lock a damn car.

Mexican Audi (Shane)
03-13-2009, 10:54 AM
If we're leaving a car in the driveway overnight I always turn it off.

DanosS4
03-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Until one night his house alarm went off and he saw a man standing at the bottom of his stairs.

Luckily the guy took off and his family wasn't hurt.

There were attempted break ins at five houses in the neighborhood that night.

TANMAN
03-13-2009, 11:02 AM
Called in a stolen vehicle report and we found it 11 miles away in Breckenridge. Some drunk must have borrowed it to get home. He'll never do that again.

DanosS4
03-13-2009, 11:10 AM
not really, but last time i was there we got a ride from Golden to Breck from some guy w/ a bronco. he was a friend of a friend. He got it stuck on a snowbank on the side of the road after he slide on a bridge. i think he was on coke or something, weird guy

oversteer
03-13-2009, 11:50 AM
gets into the garage, they still have to break the house door to get into the house.

bubba j
03-13-2009, 12:15 PM

bubba j
03-13-2009, 12:16 PM

snoogins
03-13-2009, 02:17 PM

snoogins
03-13-2009, 03:50 PM
...of the home invasions that involve the death of a homeowner, slightly better than 50% of the time the homeowner is killed with their own weapon.

ryoung
03-13-2009, 04:30 PM
In lethal encounters, what are the statistics on the aggressor?

For example, with these hypothetical statistics, if the homeowner is armed, ...

90% of the time the aggressor is killed with the homeowner's weapon.
5% of the time the homeowner is killed with the aggressor's weapon.
5% of the time the homeowner is killed with his own weapon.

... it looks like it'd still be a good idea to keep a weapon at home.

Or more simply, irregardless of how the homeowner dies, what are the chances of the homeowner's death if he is armed versus unarmed?

Joey T
03-13-2009, 07:02 PM
Later rescinded as having no basis in fact.

truth
03-13-2009, 09:56 PM

JimR
03-14-2009, 07:58 AM

DanosS4
03-14-2009, 10:18 AM

EvilBob
03-14-2009, 12:30 PM
One of the primary reasons I got mine. No small kids around or anything but don't want to come home and open the door to find myself looking down the barrel of one of my guns. Or wake up in the middle of the night to find myself on the wrong side of something that wasn't locked up.

js0ne
03-14-2009, 01:05 PM

oversteer
03-14-2009, 02:59 PM

shredder
03-15-2009, 10:47 AM

John Lee Pettimore
03-15-2009, 12:52 PM
but i live in a small town of 8,000

oneformula
03-15-2009, 03:25 PM

oneformula
03-15-2009, 03:33 PM
Joey T is correct, plus...


Myth: Handguns are 43 times more likely to kill a family member than a criminal
Fact: Of the 43 deaths reported in this flawed study, 37 (86%) were suicides. Other deaths involved criminal activity between the family members (drug deals gone bad).*

Myth: You are more likely to be injured or killed using a gun for self-defense
Fact: You are far more likely to survive a violent assault if you defend yourself with a gun. In episodes where a robbery victim was injured, the injury/defense rates were**:
Resisting with a gun 6%
Did nothing at all 25%
Resisted with a knife 40%
Non-violent resistance 45%

*Arthur L. Kellerman, Protection or Peril?: An Analysis of Firearm-Related Deaths in the Home, 314 New Eng. J. Med. 1557-60 1986. Kellerman admits that his study did "not include cases in which burglars or intruders are wounded or frightened away by the use or display of a firearm." He also admitted his study did not look at situations in which intruders "purposely avoided a home known to be armed." This is a classic case of a "study" conducted to achieve a desired result. In his critique of this "study", Gary Kleck notes that the estimation of gun ownership rates were "inaccurate" , and that the total population came from a non-random selection of only two cities.

**British Home Office - not a "pro-gun" organization by any means

odelay12v
03-17-2009, 06:42 AM
first off we have one hella loud grarage door.. and its right below my bedroom i sleep very lightly and this would almost knock me off bed.. plus the door to the garage is locked.. and then they would have to get past KUJO and i dont leave my car on the garage anyways.. and my wife is a damn good shot too for a Frenchie

InTTruder
03-18-2009, 10:51 AM
Bull****-