Yes, I realize the Walther is a bit bigger. I'd like something for front pocket carry. The Walther will probably be available in my state later this year. The PM9 isn't officially available but can occasionally be found.

price for you.

Feed ramp gouged on the first day and it was nearly impossible to load by hand. Shooting more than 50 rounds meant certain blisters.

I wouldn't buy either of those. I'm a huge fan of the J-Fram Smith and Wesson's.

I'm pretty happy with mine, put 230 rds through it in the first hour of ownership, so I don't agree w/Thermal on the shootability :)

My only real gripe is that it's quite sensitive to limp-wristing and after 100-150 rounds it apparently tires my wrist enough to cause that. Now that I know it, I've not had issues. I actually MUCH prefer the flush 6rd mag to the 7rd extension mag, FWIW.

Sportsman's Warehouse sells the blackened slide, night-sight version for $699 - my dealer matched that.

Magazines for ~$28 from CheaperThanDirt. I have two off at Robar being finished in Roguard because it pisses me off that they're not black like every other part on the gun :)

Because otherwise it can't happen, but thanks.

It's a damn shame what Mass has come to :(

I totally agree with you on gun control. On the other hand, they allow certain other freedoms that other states make a big effort to constrain.

I'd rather stay and fight for my 2A rights.

The j-frame has some advantages and disadvantages as far as I can see.

disadvantages: bigger in most ways than the PPS but still pocketable, I have to have another caliber on hand, carrying extra ammo and reloading kind of sucks (a semi auto mag fits in a pocket pretty well).

advantages: cheaper, won't brake, very well made, lighter.

I'm not sure it matters but I just found out that Kahr is owned by the Moonies. Odd.

looks, feel, difficulty of field stripping... just always seem cheap and not well thought out or made.

folks i know htat have them love them, though

i LOVE mine! so easy to carry, too

Also, how do you carry extra rounds and what holster?

i wish i did...

and i carry extra in speed loaders.

holster is a cheap uncle mike's pocket holster or a galco ankle holster

YMMV of course, and the bigger your pockets, the less trouble you'll have.

Yeah, that could be a toughie :( If I read you right, you're probably making the right choice - though I wish you didn't have to!

And the PPK's slide will bit me every time. Ideally, a Sig P230 would be most ideal.

I don't care for striker-fired guns, and the PPK has a manual safety (which I do like) but it comes in .380 or smaller, weighs more, is bigger, and all the USA-made guns have had a TERRIBLE quality reputation.

SIG P230/P232 is a quality item, gives up the manual safety in favor of a decocker, gets the weight more under control (as long as you go blued which has an aluminum frame vs stainless with its steel frame), but is still much bigger and is *STILL* just a .380.

If you're going to carry a .380, do it for size - like an NAA Guardian or LW Seecamp.

NTTWWT but I'm married with a kid. I do have friends (we'll call them Steve and Steve) who are getting married though. There are other examples as well.

The state government does suck in a variety of ways that mostly pertain to spending money and gun control. Other than that, I like the area, weather and culture.

Maybe I'll hunt down a PM9 or wait for a gun show. I just bought a Ruger 22/45 Hunter so I'm done buying guns for awhile anyway. Anyway, thanks for the thoughts.

:D

FIST Pocket Holster, speed strip in other pocket. Speed loaders in coat pocket....100% reliable.

I have/ had CT grips. A buddy loaned them to me, and told me I could have them if I wanted on a permenent loan. He's getting them back.

Why?
1. You sight the gun in for X yards. It is dead on at X yards only. You move, and the dot is out. Sure, it's still in the ball park, but I'm using mine for protection, but also to shoot IDPA BUG matches, I find I'm better without them.

2. Too busy. Too much going on.

3. They are not soft rubber like the Uncle Mike's Boot Grips that come on the gun. They are a hard plastic. 4-5 shots and my hand hurts.

Maybe if you were going to use the gun for personal protection only, then get them. For the amount of use that mine gets, I hate them.

Hope this helps,

M

I'm not worried about reliability with an S&W revolver. I wish they made a 9mm version but I know they used to and it didn't work that well.

He's the EF of AWF :)

If shot in the chest or head, I guess the 9mm will kill you "quicker" because it's moving faster. But in the end you'll be just as dead if hit with either. In the typical handgun engagement, the distances are usually within 15 feet. A that distance, a well placed round, ANY well placed round, will kill you. A .22 will kill deader'n hell if you put it in the right spot. That's a proven fact.

Hell, some grandma in the boondocks just recently dropped a mountain lion in its track with one. And you're trying to tell me it won't kill a human being? Yer nukin' futz...

As I said before, bullet placement is THE KEY to stopping a fight quickly.

Nothing satisfying about your attacker dying when s/he has time to kill you first.

Not to say shot placement isn't important and critical, but HAVING to put the round into an eye socket for insta-stop really reduces your statistical likelihood of survival.

There is no such thing as a 'magic bullet'. There is no one round that is better any than another at stopping a fight quickly. The ONLY thing that stops a fight 'right now' is the placement of the first round. I don't care if it's a 10mm, a .45, a .40, .357Sig, a 9mm, a .38/.357 or even a .22. If you put the round in a critical area, the fight will end immediately. Your training and mindset determine how well you'll do in a gunfight, but if you fail to put that first round where it needs to go, you'd better have a plan B in place 'cause you're gonna need to use it. I was trained to keep pulling the trigger until the threat stops moving. Two times I've had to defend myself, and the second time only needed one round to stop the fight.

has fallen an elephant, rhino, crocadile, or any of the big game that has skin that you'd be hard pressed to get quite a few different types of rounds through.

2nd shot placement may be king but its not the reality of real world combat. You are moving, your adversary is moving, turning twisting behind cover, in the dark... yeah good luck with that .22 you're carrying.

.380 doesn't have the oompf and has less of a chance of reaching vitals than regular 9mm. Plenty of research out there to back this up.

.22LR is plenty deadly, as is a properly sharpened and heavy stick, but as far as its capacity to stop quickly it falls far short. And as far as its ability to take ANY AND ALL GAME ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET yeah I'm not sure you thought that one out.

maybe if you had a belt fed rimfire machine gun and the animal tied down 8' away and a few hours to kill...

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I once shot a walking deer thru the heart with a 45-70 from 25 yds ... the deer ran 125 yards before dying. After two broadside center chest hits with a .45 ACP, deer #5 <a href="http://forums.audiworld.com/firearms/msgs/134.phtml">Here</a> took 10 minutes to collapse, and it still required a coup de grace. If these deer were human, both would have had plenty of time to do me harm. Shot placement is obviously not always enough.