I'm almost thinking a synthetic shoulder holster system with the PM9 in a ziploc baggie....but I'm curious if anyone has been down this path and what you chose.

On our last week long canoe trip through the boundary waters I wrapped my coach 20g loaded with buck. My opinion on this subject is you can get away with packing what ever large caliber weapon you own so long as you make the proper ammo selection.

It goes in a small dry bag, with my cell phone and wallet, when I'm on the boat.

If I did it would probably be a molle based leg holster with extra retention straps and a glock with a marine spring plug, no baggie because its a god damned glock.

I'm not sure that all the sheeple on a rafting trip are going to be comfy with the idea of armed passengers....

Maybe this is one place for a fanny pack? Dunno.

I agree the dry-bag sounds like a good basis, just not sure of the mechanics involved in carrying that way.

I don't own a Glock (and not sure I would) - my only tupperware is the Kahr.

Is it assumed that all commercial ammo is relatively waterproof or ????

to keep oil from seeping in there and killing the rounds, but .22 is a lot looser crap than 9mm for instance.

Out of the many guns I've shot I still can't shoot anything as well as a glock of any caliber. A 9mm glock makes me very happy.

Now my Ed Brown has never let me down either... nor has either of our J-Frame carry revolvers but if I'm going to drag a firearm through water, get it muddy, frozen and banged up I'm sure in hell not going to take a $2k 1911 or a revolver that is more suitable for pants pocket carry. I'm going to take the gun that I know can fill up with water, get covered in mud be banged against rocks, bake in the noon sun and still fire for me when called on.

has run well for the first few hundred rounds at least. I've always shot autos so I considered myself limp-wrist-immune until this gun - apparently when my hands get tired I break my wrist enough to cause problems. :(

Any other form of closing the slide would result in a feed jam and gouge. Pain in the butt.

Plus there was a rough spot on the trigger guard that really did over my knuckle for some reason. Had to shoot it with tape on my finger.

I did take it to florida (loaded with FMJ) as my carry gun along with my Kel-Tec P3AT (loaded with hydroshoks). I didn't like either and didn't feel safe. Thats when I switched to a j-frame and never looked back.

<center><img src="http://www.appliancist.com/foodsaver-vacuum-sealer.jpg"></center><p>I'm only half serious. How funny would it be to see a gun in a form-fitting shrink wrapped plastic bag? Put a little piece of paper in there too that says "In case of emergency, rip open!".

I'd be concerned that I couldn't open it in any sort of rapid manner though.

Might be a little interesting to see what happened the first time one tried the actual sealing process too....

I think you could cut one corner after it's sealed (without breaking the seal) and that would be the place to tear it open.

I don't have a vacuum sealer so I don't know how hard it is to tear the bags open in a hurry.

Might be a good long term storage solution too after you clean and lube the gun.

if my buddy will let me use his sealer...

I don't know of a single company who'll allow that, and quite honestly it's just not needed. But to answer the question, I keep the dry bag attached to my vest via a length of 550 cord. It usually sits between my legs.

Where do you live? No CCW?

I can't say that I've ever heard of any gun wielding psychopaths killing people on the New River. I've done so many commercial rafting/kayaking trips I can't even count that high, and not once did I ever feel the need to carry any one of my pistols. And if the company finds out you have one on board, your ass WILL be left on the bank and you'll be walking back to camp. And upon arrival at camp, you WILL be asked to pack and leave immediately. I guarantee that.
The only time I carry is when I'm gonna be in the back country for an extended period with just a few friends. Part of having a CC is knowing when and where to carry, and a commercial rafting trip is NOT one of those times.

(Not talking about National Parks where it'd be illegal.)

Given your claims to defensive firearm usage I refuse to believe you'd willingly go anywhere without one. In any case, I have no intention to argue the whys, we have AWP for that :)


I'm interested in the systems - and I thank you for your dry-bag info.

Waiting for the report.

actually kinda forgot about asking him...

and you only don't need it until you need it