who knows a good way to get a good price?

they make a fortune on those things, i think.

i'd love to get some for my firearms...

laser can get you on target when you can't line up the sites. give a tactical advantage. helps when you are stressed. helps when you have lost lots of blood.

Propper training and practice trump ANY device out there. Apparently you haven't mastered instinctive shooting yet. You need to practice more. BTW, night sights are your friend and don't give your position away like a laser will.

after fighting and bitching about lasers.... almost all now recommend them

Just another one of those accessories that's "tacticool".

for the average person that doesn't train weekly or even monthly?

I'd be waiting for him to come around the corner, put 5 rounds into him before he has time to blink. so last thing I'd want is a red dot giving away my position. No way in hell I'd engage straight up in a gunfight. Tritium sights and thats its brother.

I'll stick to my standard sights. The laser can be useful for some I suppose but I won't be using one.

you are the only one left today

...once a week. If not, you're spinning your wheels. Training, proper technique and practice are what will save your life in a gunfight, NOT a laser sight. I've successfully defended myself twice now in my own home, in the dark. Both times, there was not a laser sight to be found. Crutch it up if you think it'll help you. IMO, it's nothing more than one more thing that could go tits up at the wrong time. Then what will you rely on?

I'm lucky if I can wrench on a bolt once a week, no chance in hell of shooting.

And two times already defending your home? Wow!
Did you have to shoot someone?

Rifles with flashlights, lasers, bottleopeners, Tomtom GPS, 3 clips taped together, Polish sausages inside the grenade launcher, Bipods, Check Rests, Handsfree Safeties, Telescoping rear Stocks, 7 Picatinny Rails, Picatinny Rail on a Picatinny Rail, Red Dot Scope, Camo Paint, etc...

Rifle has everything on it but Iron Sights.

Most rifles are heavy enough as is and if required to actually carry it for 3 weeks straight 24-7 guys would most likely ditch all that crap and carry water, ammo and food in that order.

I think the top rifle in the picture needs another scope.
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but the truth is most people don't have the time, money, interest, and means to do that. AND the truth is most defensive use of guns by the good guys is successful and not done by people that train regularly.

The first one didn't walk away under his own power.

Dry-firing the gun and refining technique can be done from the comfort of your home.

and my statement stands

I'd hardly call the top rifle having an Eotech with a magnifier to much.
I have to admit liking an old school rifle in a new platform capable of accepting all the latest gadgets the military likes to use. Don't need them and still love a simple bone-stock rifle but some of this stuff is just too damn fun to play with. :-)

and trying to force it to be something it's not.

...and put it toward some real training. Go take some courses at TDI or Gunstie or Badlands or Thunder Ranch or Black Water. When you get back, let us know percentage of the instructors had lasers on their weapons and actually said they were useful. My guess is that percentage is gonna be about 1%, if that.

And are used by said folks? I admit to owning one of the abomninations but not because I have thoughts of being high-speed-low drag. I just like it and had the means to make the purchase. That and I can't seem to not tinker with ****, firearms included.
It's my one gear-queer weapon and it gets out for use a lot more than a nicely finished wood variant ever would. I just can't bring myself to putting a classicly stocked piece in danger of nicks, dings etc. :-)

true hard chargers. That they're not just some couch-commando creation.

I've been to each and every one of those schools at one time or another over the last 10 years. not once did any instructor have or even actively advocate a laser on their pistols.