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AudiPutz
04-19-2008, 11:50 AM
Strong and efficient - the engines

The Audi Q5 is rolling off the production line in three engine variants - one gasoline engine and two TDI units. All of the engines are direct-injection models with a turbocharger - characterized by outstanding performance, hefty propulsive power and cultivated running while at the same time offering impressive fuel efficiency.

The 2.0 TFSI has been entirely redesigned. The four-cylinder engine unites three high-tech features - turbocharging, gasoline direct-injection technology and the innovative Audi valvelift system for variable control of valve lift.

The high torque of 350 Nm (258.15 lb-ft) is available at 1,500 rpm and remains constant up to 4,200 rpm, with performance peaking at 155 kW (211 hp). The Audi Q5 2.0 TFSI sprints from 0 to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in 7.2 seconds, reaching a top speed of 222 km/h (137.94 mph). On average, the vehicle consumes just 8.5 liters of fuel per 100 km (27.67 mpg).

Drawing on four cylinders and two liters of displacement as well, the 2.0 TDI is superbly refined thanks to a new common-rail fuel injection system; like the gasoline engine, it has two balancing shafts. With 350 Nm (258.15 lb-ft) (between 1,750 and 2,500 rpm), this diesel engine delivers strong propulsive power at an outstanding 125 kW (170 hp). Average consumption of just 6.7 liters per 100 km (35.11 mpg) is proof of Audi's successful efficiency strategy. The two-liter TDI catapults the Audi Q5 from 0 to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in 9.5 seconds, peaking at a top speed of 204 km/h (126.76 mph).

The most powerful engine in the line-up is the 3.0 TDI. This V6 diesel engine delivers a gratifying 176 kW (240 hp), with 500 Nm (368.78 lb-ft) of torque available between 1,500 and 3,000 rpm. With outstanding power flow and cultivated sound, it takes the Audi Q5 from 0 to 100 km/h (62.14 mph) in 6.5 seconds, accelerating to a top speed of 225 km/h (139.81 mph). On average, the three-liter engine consumes 7.7 liters of fuel per 100 km (30.55 mpg).

Seven speeds - the new S tronic

The 2.0 TDI transfers its power to a six-speed manual transmission. Audi has built innovative technology into both the 3.0 TDI and 2.0 TFSI - the S tronic, a new twin-clutch transmission with seven speeds. This high-tech component can execute gearshifts in just a fraction of a second while offering exceptional comfort and high efficiency. Drivers can let the seven-speed S tronic shift automatically or select gears manually, when desired with rocker switches on the steering wheel.

szuszu
04-19-2008, 12:44 PM
Audi had a chance to get ahead of competition here by bringing the TDI engines with this introduction. C'mon - V6TDI with 30.5mpg - they would blow away current competition. How many of you would call up your Audi dealer to get on the list today?

Lack of S tronic for US market is also disappointing. If Audi treats me as a second class country I will look for a new brand that does not.

Instead of being ahead of competition they are just matching it (V6 gas engine and nothing else, just like x3 and the new Volvo coming out).

I WILL be getting a new car first half of '09. Waited for this intro for over a year now, because I want to come back to Audi for my next car. If the Merc GLK comes to US with diesel Audi has lost my business (makes me sad, because Audi IS my favorite brand)

hzhao
04-19-2008, 01:19 PM
Although we love the advance technology in cars, but introduce a new car line in to the market is also a business decision. As like every other company in business, ROI (return on investment) will put into place during every business decision. Frankly, I believe Audi would also love to bring all the advanced technology into US market asap. But, any underline regulations, financial strength, and any associated approval process, may make sense for Audi to intrduce the Q5 with existing configuration, and continue penetration the market with other additional technology. In all, it is a complicated decision, and it centainly has its reasons. Regardless, I still think it is a wonderful addition to Audi's family. I will definitely consider Q5 in next spring......

szuszu
04-19-2008, 01:37 PM
isn't it interesting though that North American/US market is the only one getting the V6 petrol version without S Tronic. It looks like it's not even available in Europe.

Sure dollar is weak and your ROI argument has some merit, but I will repeat...if I can afford $50K loaded Q5 - I can probably afford $55K loaded version with S Tronic and/or TDI engine. I will repeat - I am tired of Audi treating US market as second class citizen and personally think that the business decision was gutless. They are just matching the market and not getting ahead of it. V6 gasoline engine was a "everybody is doing it, let's catchup and do the same" decision.
Perhaps AudiWorld is full of Audi fans that are not the 'general' market, but I wonder if we had a poll here how many people would pay little extra for V6TDI with STronic that gets 30mpg...

nirad
04-19-2008, 01:54 PM
Is Audi serious about trying to increase market-share here? It sure doesn't seem like it. I've owned 3 Audis in a row, and increasingly it seems like we are actually getting fewer options than the rest of the world. With the new A4, we're only getting the avant with a 2.0t and tiptronic, and we won't be getting the S4 avant (what I drive now).

IMHO, DSG/S-tronic is a big deal- one of the biggest advances in automotive technology in years. I have been waiting patiently for Audi to offer it in a car other than the FWD/Haldex TT and A3. And now the rest of the world will have that option but not the US.

hzhao
04-19-2008, 02:23 PM
there is also the other side, that is the cost to bring the car into the market. Profit margin is at far high end of the food chain compare your afordability. Especially, Audi does not have the market share as MB, BMW, etc. in US, profitibility is even more important for Audi in order to continue competing in this segment. Take a look of Lexus, they didn't coming to this market and gain shares with most advanced technology (even not as today), but they did it with their value points.......

Rocky-in-Connecticut
04-19-2008, 02:26 PM
I currently own several cars, including an 02 Audi S6 Avant. It is a great car. It also gets about 15 mpg. But it offers a tremendous amount of utility and great all-weather capability. It was also about $65k back in 02.

I realize I am "trading down" by looking at the Q5 segment. But the most intriguing thing about the Q5 to me is the utility combined with the newest technology like the 3.0L TDI and DSG. Better fuel economy is a major reason why I am looking at this segment, and TDI is paramount in this regard.

Audi will probably be able to sell their entire 09 allotment for the US market in its currently published configuration. But if Audi wants to have sales remain strong they will have to offer TDI at some point.

I eagerly await the updates later this year as to the S-Line and "Off-road" packages. The Q5 promises to be the most configurable Audi ever.

chewym
04-19-2008, 05:30 PM
Bigger wheels, standard three zone climate control and so on. DSG isn't coming because people won't notice the difference/prefer a real automatic. Those consumer results are just too powerful in the US. They are hurting Audi's reputation to some extent= less sales.

The EPA does not give diesels as generous fuel economy figures as the European test does. The EPA also isn't too kind to the 2.0T in a demanding application. Look at the Tiguan. The V6 Q5 probably won't be too far away from the Tiguan. (Yes the Valvelift and 7 speed DSG would help out a little)

The Q5 is quite a ways away from US sales. Things can change.

Audi priced the Q7 well compared to the A6, the same could happen to the Q5.

chewym
04-19-2008, 05:49 PM
The A4 with the V6 TDI will at best get 23/32.

You are pretty much right about Audi fans. The worst selling combination is the favorite here. The market reaction to diesels is unknown. The V6 diesels have to get refilled at every service interval.

DimaA6_ABC_Kiev
04-20-2008, 04:21 AM

nirad
04-20-2008, 07:32 AM