View Full Version : A Case Against ADS?


flamingo
08-13-2008, 09:17 AM
MSN Auto:

Ride and handling

Two big changes affect this generation A4. First, there's a longer wheelbase, with the front wheels pushed well forward, rather like a 3-Series. Then there's the Audi Drive Select. Let's take that first. For some £1,700 extra you get this unique-in-class system that, at the touch of a button, adjusts the accelerator pedal response, power steering assistance and shock absorber characteristics. Choose Comfort, Dynamic or Auto, and the nature of the drive changes. Cleverest aspect is the variable rate steering which actually speeds up the steering response when you demand lots of lock or in contrast makes the steering less twitchy when you are travelling at high speed in a straight line.

Sounds great, doesn't it? In reality it's far from convincing. An A4 so equipped doesn't deal with bumps particularly well and the ride feels firm too much of the time. It will be interesting to see how well it copes with British roads. The good news, though, is the 1.8T with the regular suspension actually does everything very well anyway. While it could be argued that rivals may have the got the balance a bit better, there's no doubt that there's not much wrong with the handling while the ride seems more comfortable than the trick suspension in any mode. Certainly this A4 turns into corners with accuracy and speed, and is well matched to the demands of the 1.8T engine.



Carmagazine (UK):

The chassis is undoubtedly a step up from the previous A4 - but that's hardly any surprise. If you choose to select-and-forget with the Audi Drive Select, there's an entertaining time to be had in this V6 quattro, with a handling balance less front-biased and thus sharper on the turn-in. It's - and this really will have to wait for UK evaluation to be definitive - just that in any setting the suspension doesn't deal with bumps terribly well. It seems slightly bizarre that the lowly 1.8 T without the £1700 ADS seems the better developed package.


Car Connection:

Ride comfort is a better proposition with Drive Select. Popular Mechanics says the settings enable the 2009 Audi A4 to amble down the road in "tranquil fashion," and Car and Driver felt its handling was "innately clean enough." This time Automobile pointed out, "On predominantly washboard tarmac, the difference in ride between the comfort and the dynamic settings was as stark as the difference in visibility between a lunar eclipse and a power failure in a coal mine." Edmunds complains that it "defaults to the Auto settings every time you start the car. It shouldn't." Motor Trend thinks "the system isn't perfect--dynamic's ride is a bit too harsh for everyday driving, and comfort's steering is too uncommunicative in turns. However, auto mode makes the best of both settings."
Drive Select is an option, however, and cars without it "have precise, nicely weighted steering and firm, tidy ride qualities that are perfectly agreeable," Car and Driver points out. Automobile observes that "thanks to Quattro and those wide eighteen-inch tires, traction and grip are phenomenal," and that "handling balance feels a lot more neutral than in the outgoing model." Edmunds calls it "a very sharp, communicative sedan and it's fun to throw around," also noting that the brakes are "fantastic."
TheCarConnection.com sits with the minority on the handling of the 2009 Audi A4. The V-6 engine is a meaty performer, with plenty of power--until you acknowledge the BMW 3-Series in the next lane. It's the Drive Select feature, like a similar setup in BMW's 3-Series, that strips some of the basic goodness from the A4. Though it rides well in most modes, the Dynamic mode turns the steering overly tight and makes turn-in too aggressive, while it gives the transmission full license to upshift and downshift a little too frequently. In Comfort mode, the steering's downright lazy, barely keeping up on highway maneuvers. All of this can be corrected by leaving the car in Auto mode--or not opting for the system at all.

seoultrain
08-13-2008, 09:59 AM
Interesting. I wonder how the Sport/S-line suspension compares with the standard. I guess it's up to each individual to drive them all and decide.

BMWBig6
08-13-2008, 10:09 AM
with independently adjustable settings for throttle, steering, and suspension so that the owner can dial everything in the way they want (after de-selecting Auto every darn time they get in the car).

Spacecadet_CC
08-13-2008, 10:58 AM
Personally, I like and prefer a very firm drive, even when I am casual. I have not driven this car with or without ADS yet, so I cannot say for sure, but I would likely attempt to drive it in dynamic mode most of the time - always ready to make a move, jump out of the way, take a fun sharp corner, etc.
We have seen a lot of others doing the Audi Experience tests with it and some of those people are clearly coming from a performance mindset with a few from a more neutral background (understandable on an enthusiast site). Most of those reviews have been clear, on the whole, of what the writers prefer.
For these more 'general public' reviews, I don't know how to interpret them (who the target is) - I am guessing they are talking to the 80-90%+ who are not visiting this website, and who have at best a general appreciation for the brand and/or cars in general. And when I read using this mindset, the review sounds appropriate. I think the general driver does not like a stiff/tight ride. However, I think that it could be misleading to someone who is more of an enthusiast.
From my standpoint, I love a tight car. Not insane, but tight and responsive for daily driving.
I would LOVE to get ADS on my Prem-Plus ordered car, however I do not cannot afford the bump to prestige to get ADS, including the nav (don't need it where I live) which allows the 'individual' option, which I would be most interested in. The $$ jump is too much for me as I would likely keep it in dynamic mode most of the time. Plus on a MT car, the throttle/shifting aspect is negated. For less money I can do some suspension upgrades... but I would love to have the dynamic steering adjustment.

Spacecadet_CC
08-13-2008, 10:59 AM

PhilGood
08-13-2008, 11:16 AM

BMWBig6
08-13-2008, 11:32 AM

Hokie_Audi
08-13-2008, 11:42 AM
Note that you still get a remapped throttle response in a manual tranny car, just nothing to do with the shifting obviously.

Bada Bing
08-13-2008, 01:36 PM
If I were buying an S5 or higher priced model, then maybe I would consider it. On a base model A4 2.0T or 3.2, I would get every other dubious option before I checking off the ADS box.

I test drove an A4 3.2 at the Driving Experience at Torrey Pines a oouple of weekends ago and didn't feel it was worth it. The ride felt like a sport model in Comfort mode and I jsut didn't feel much change in throttle characteristic and I would n;t care to vary the steering ratio.

I really think they should cut you some price slack on ADS if you're already paying for a Sport Package or S-line package. The current pricing scheme charges you twice for sport suspension.

Hokie_Audi
08-13-2008, 01:55 PM
I have yet to drive it and most people have glowing reviews of its ability to change the character of the car, but I just don't see getting much use out of it unless the sport suspension is unacceptably harsh. And if it were that bad I'd think we'd be hearing about it already.

And what's got me really nervous is what will/would/could happen at 50,001 miles when a rheostatic shock absorber blows out. How much do those cost and, given the difficulty in getting basic parts like wheels and paint, how long will it take to replace? These are considerable negatives that the ADS will have to overcome to make the system worthwhile to me.

I may be wrong and the system could very well be hot grits in Natalie Portman's lap good, but color me a non-believer thus far.

need_TQM
08-13-2008, 02:52 PM
Anyone know what the specifics of the sport suspension are?

20mm ride height difference

? higher rate springs ?

What else?

MML
08-13-2008, 02:53 PM
event in Sonoma, and I think it was cool and seemed to work very well, I am just not prepaired to pay the price for it.

UrS6_07S4
08-13-2008, 03:16 PM
How do these two variable ratio steering systems compare mechanically and functionally? My impression is that BMW Active Steering was not favorably received by the auto press.

TwentyValveB5+S4
08-13-2008, 03:17 PM
"dynamic" mode felt more like the sport suspension in the B7, anyhow.

Comfort mode felt very much like a non-sport car.

joebob2
08-13-2008, 04:17 PM
Who knows what the reviewer's idea of a "good" suspension/chassis is? It is so subjective.

I can say that the difference between Comfort and Dynamic is night and day, but that I found neither the steering "too aggressive" in Dynamic nor "downright lazy" in Comfort.

If someone thinks it is too harsh in Dynamic they probably wouldn't like a Sport suspension setup, either. I think Audi's attempt to create a car that is smooth for driving around the family yet capable of a track day turned out pretty good.

On the track it handled very well.

Just my opinion, though, coming from a 1.8tqms and an allroad.

vplaza
08-13-2008, 04:20 PM
As far as the worry about it being so new and what happens when it blows up after the manufacturer's warranty, the same could be said about DSG when it first came out.

I've got almost 60K miles on mine and <knock on wood> not a single problem with it. But, just to be safe, I bought a Warranty Direct extended warranty when I bought the car, so I should be good if it does go south on me up until 100K miles.

snagitseven
08-13-2008, 05:09 PM

BMWBig6
08-13-2008, 05:10 PM

SAC-CA-GTI
08-13-2008, 09:38 PM
I know I would be putting an aftermarket suspension on it at one point. For 3K and the "reliability" factor...not worth it. But it does wonders on the throttle. It is VERY noticeable. Suspension can be swapped. Steering and throttle response cannot. THAT'S the big thing.

Bob58
08-14-2008, 08:21 AM
But I'm not paying 3 grand for it.

KrustyA4
08-14-2008, 12:09 PM
can play with throttle response in their chip development. I plan on skipping ADS partly because of cost but also an aftermarket suspension is on the agenda.